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56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:56 pm
by Magicwand
i dont know what he is waiting for.
he has to play ko. it will be a ko fight to the death.
i already know the optimal result for the ko fight.
white should win the ko fight..but it might not be easy reading everything.

i will go home for now..and will be super busy tomorrow...
i dont think i can move till WED.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:58 pm
by Magicwand
another black hidden to rattle his mind...
my prediction:
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:44 pm
by Jedo
Thanks Magicwand, but someone already answered my question (which is now moot anyway)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:59 pm
by Violence
Sorry, this is a bit of a big decision to make, and I don't have the time to make it. My boss is going to be here for a week and a half, and during that time, I'll be away from my comp, I won't be able to post unless my weekend frees up.

So in worst case, the next move will come two Mondays from now.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:32 pm
by hyperpape
Well, someone is planning to read out the entire game to the end and make an exact count.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:33 am
by Violence
I could post from my phone, but I haven't read this enough yet. Sorry for the delay.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:16 pm
by Kirby
I wonder what he'll play...

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:01 pm
by Violence
Thanks for waiting, Magicwand. It was a hectic week and a half.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . W O . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
After a lot of thought, I think I am still comfortable without fighting this ko. It takes too much risk, and I think I can still win without it.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:45 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
unexpected move by my opponent. can he win without ko???

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:49 am
by zinger
I figure black leads by about 9 points on the board. Is there komi? How much?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:51 am
by tj86430
zinger wrote:
I figure black leads by about 9 points on the board. Is there komi? How much?
Violence wrote:Japanese Rules, 6.5 komi

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:17 am
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O W . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:31 am
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . W X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O C . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is it just me, or is it a bit better for white to capture in sente, first? It threatens to kill those black stones, so it seems to gain something for nothing? Or is that a ko threat?

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:06 am
by Kirby
Chew Terr wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . W X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O C . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is it just me, or is it a bit better for white to capture in sente, first? It threatens to kill those black stones, so it seems to gain something for nothing? Or is that a ko threat?
I like yours a bit better. You can consider if Q18 as a response gives black any benefit, but then white R19 is forcing.

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:09 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . B O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this hanne feels so~~~ good.
he has two ways to answer. i marked two. i dont know which is correct way to answer. i am thinking p12
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . c . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . e X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . C X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . C . O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . B O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O d O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X b . O X O O a |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i marked few point of intrest. they all have merits. i will pick one after he answer my move.
but as of now...b looks big. but it is a gote. but he didnt gain any points since i counted and i did gain enough to win. so i think i will most likely take 'b' to put the final nail on a coffen.
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