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Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:03 am
by Jordus
Black Suggestion:

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As stated before, (a) and (d) are not needed.
Jedo chose (e). Fwiffo chose (c).
That leaves me (b); however, after looking at it for a while, I decided (b) just doesn't work. It allows white to play at (c) effectively letting white run straight into what could have been blacks moyo... So I decided to throw in a move at :b29:. It starts a possible wall, and is an overly aggressive approach at attacking white. From what I see, depending on how aggressive whites response is, things can go good or bad. If they play aggressively, it could go bad, however if they stick to their current form of play (more territorial than locally aggressive) the move might play out well for black...

(FYI if my train of thought seems to be a little jumpy and hard to follow, I blame a lack of sleep... ;-) )

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:21 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm29 Move 29
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I really did want to play K5 ( or K6 ) taking territory in the lower left, and getting everybody running northward. But K5 is too thin to be a threat, whereas their automatic reply at M7 does threaten to enclose us:

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If K5 was too thin, then K6 was too. That leaves M7 as the only reasonable play.

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:36 pm
by Redundant
Suggestion
I vote for the jump to k6. We need to get out, and definitely can't hane.

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:18 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To team:

This is, as far as I can see, completely forced. Slightly uncomfortable, but could be a lot worse. I assume Black's going to extend again, so some thoughts about our next move would be great :)


To observers:

Now this is why I wanted to bump. I wanted us to play here first, and then the bump is either sente, or we play K4 in response to this bend. Now, we float :(

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:50 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To observers:
Tactical necessities force us to go westward once, but I still believe that the proper direction is northward.
Continuing westward looks bad:

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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


We must force the northward flow again:

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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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Now we are high enough that any attempt to push westward forces us to take big territory:

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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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...or:

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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:24 am
by Chew Terr
White Internal
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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If Black takes 2, I will nominate 3. It threatens to capture at 'a' or jump safely to 'b', in good shape... However, it seems to me like B may take 'a' or 'c'.

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:11 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
To observers
Ooops! I'm used to Chew Terr being my teammate in Big Brother Malkovich # 1, and reading his post automatically in that thread. :oops:

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:19 pm
by jts
Whose team is Joaz on, again?

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:53 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To black teammates: Suggestions?

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


BTW. the westward flow of the last move was tactically neccesary, but I still think that the direction of play is northward - for all the running groups.

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:03 am
by Jordus
Black internal chat:

Some quick thoughts... (I might come back and read this after some sleep and think I am insane :lol: )
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the peep at (f) doesn't seem like it will be worth the effort... for now... unless the object of it is to create a wall for now... example..

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[go]$$Bc
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I am interested in (a) for two reasons... a forces :w2: and I see two responses for white once black plays :b3:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w6: at :b1: and :b7: at (a), (b), or (c)....

or this...

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w4: elsewhere (speaking of insane... :w4: at (a) ruins this example.. if it wasn't already bad...)

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:51 pm
by fwiffo
Black internal chat:
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . X , . . . a . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The knight's moves at a and b would be standard response to the cap if white's last move was one space lower as I've shown here.

I do think the correct move is on this side; otherwise that stone is in a lot of trouble.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . a . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One concern I have is that white might be able to make good shape in sente with an attachment at a, so our next move should look to make that not work.

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:21 pm
by Jordus
Black Internal chat:

So I am having trouble finding anything past one aggressive and one passive move in current local area we are playing in...

Aggressive move:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 4 O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 1 2 . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Passive move: at 1 or (a)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:43 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
To observers:
Jordus' L4 is aggressive, but it is aji keshi. I like both of his other suggestions.
I'm happy to see that everyone is looking at the same area around out K3 stone.


@Jedo: You still here?

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:17 pm
by fwiffo
Wow, I'm losing track of everything! I guess I'll post a suggestion

...Though I don't feel very confident about the game right now.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Teamovitch #1

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:29 pm
by Jordus
Black Suggestion:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 1 . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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