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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:56 am
by Joaz Banbeck
shapenaji wrote:Not Approved

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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . W X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...


I've been wanting to do that. I thought that it was best to get guaranteed access to running room on the right side first. It feels premature to me.

The particular problem that bothers me is this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . W X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After the marked black stone is played in response to the marked white stone, then this sequence becomes a problem:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O 3 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 1 . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Sorry but no.

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[go]$$Wc 81A W37 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O C . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Gresil wants this, which I think is awful:
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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 4 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White is all connected and we have a weak, heavy group.

I want this:
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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 1 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 5 O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 3 2 4 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White has a choice. We either connect everything, or save most of our group while catching four stones. If the latter, there's only three stones of ours left hanging and those are a lot easier to let go. I'm still not in love with this, white's last move was really good.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:35 am
by Violence
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:08 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wc 82A W37 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . W . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 6 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 4 3 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 7 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 9 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, this is what I had looked at before.
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 8 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 4 3 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 7 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both of these variations seem to buy our groups stability at the cost of letting black take the four stones at H14 in later gote. I am wondering if we could slide in F14 and F13 in sente before we burn that aji to reduce/eliminate that option.

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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 3 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 4 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Alternatively, we could burn our cutting aji to make better shape and eyespace on top. If the cutting sequences are unfavorable, this is probably our best bet.

Okay, I've thought about this for a while, and don't think I'm going to have any brilliant eureka moments. I like the cutting variations, so I think I'm going to give it a shot. Hope you guys forgive me for playing so aggressively!

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:21 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I disapprove.

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X W X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . C . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I see no point in going into a sequence in which black is allowed to play J14 without having paid for the privilege by playing J16 first. I like that cutting stone at G16.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X W X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . C . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now we have both 'a' and 'b' threatened. And 'c' is no longer a dual threat for black.

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X a O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X W X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O c . b X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that the best that black can hope for is this:

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 2 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 4 3 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 5 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 8 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 7 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...where I think we give black life with small territory up top in return for game-winning influence on the right.


BTW, I still think that this whole bloody mess is premature. We didn't make a fist before striking. I would prefer a position like this:

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 2 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 4 3 X O @ O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 5 X X # . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 8 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 7 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:31 am
by shapenaji
Approved

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:12 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc 83A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X B O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No other move makes a whelk's sense in a supernova to me.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:30 am
by daniel_the_smith
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:45 pm
by Violence
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:02 pm
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc 84A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . W X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, the best that I can figure out is that my partners want to play for a cut this way. I'm concerned, though, because it seems like our last move pushed black to defend, weakening our top group. I don't know if we have the stability to play the cut. And I'm not certain that this is, in fact, the plan my partners want me to carry out. However, it's this or make a defensive move, and Joaz's last move seems to be anything but defensive. This seems fairly sente, because of the threat of M12, so we may be able to get it off safely. I should have avoided such complicated situations. Gresil is keeping up well enough, it seems.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:09 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Chew Terr wrote:...
Okay, the best that I can figure out is that my partners want to play for a cut this way. I'm concerned, though, because it seems like our last move pushed black to defend, weakening our top group. I don't know if we have the stability to play the cut. And I'm not certain that this is, in fact, the plan my partners want me to carry out. However, it's this or make a defensive move, and Joaz's last move seems to be anything but defensive. This seems fairly sente, because of the threat of M12, so we may be able to get it off safely. I should have avoided such complicated situations. Gresil is keeping up well enough, it seems.


Well, I'm flattered that Chew Terr thinks that I know what is going on. I'm just playing what think that Shapenaji intends. :lol:

As Terr says, this is the only thing that is consistent with the previous move. Or two previous moves.

So...


I approve.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:57 pm
by shapenaji
I approve.
I'm not worried about the top side, black doesn't have time to kill us.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:37 pm
by Chew Terr
Wait, really? Hmmmm...

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:14 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 85A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 1 O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




This move is probably still obvious, but the next one will be difficult to determine. (edit: nope, there's no real choice)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 85A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 1 O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 2 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 3 5 6 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 4 O 8 . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 85A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 1 O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 2 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O 5 4 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . 7 O 6 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I believe there's a threat of a capturing race. I can live in the top, probably, but white can abuse my left side group. I think I prefer this option.


Edit: the second diag is baloney. White will play like this, of course, and the result is a transposition of the first option:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 85A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 1 O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 2 X X 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 5 3 6 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 4 O 7 0 . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But do I have anything to use against the white top right?

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:49 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Approved.

Gresil is a little too attached to the N13 stones, I think, but other than that he has the idea.