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34. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

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Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:42 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=15, W=13
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X 2 X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . 1 X X O X . X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X O X X X X O O O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , O O X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . O X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X X . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O O O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O X . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O X X . X X , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O O X . O . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O X X X X O X X X O O |
$$ | X X X O O O . . O X O X X O O O O O . |
$$ | X O X . X O X . . O . O O . . O O . O |
$$ | O O X X X X O O . O O . . X . O X W X |
$$ | . O O X X O X . . . . . X O O O X X X |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . . . . O O . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:43 pm
by Chew Terr
I could be wrong, but I believe that white is komaster.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:45 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=15, W=13
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O X X O X . X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X O X X X X O O O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , O O X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . O X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X X . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O O O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O X . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O X X . X X , X O B |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O O X . O . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O X X X X O X X X O O |
$$ | X X X O O O . . O X O X X O O O O O . |
$$ | X O X . X O X . . O . O O . . O O . O |
$$ | O O X X X X O O . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . O O X X O X . . . . . X O O O X X X |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . . . . O O . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:48 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=17, W=14
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 3 X X X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . 4 . X X O X . X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X O X X X X O O O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , O O X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . O X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X X . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O O O X X . X . X X . 1 |
$$ | . O O X O O O X . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O X X . X X , X O X |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O O X . O . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O X X X X O X X X O O |
$$ | X X X O O O . . O X O X X O O O O O . |
$$ | X O X . X O X . . O . O O . . O O 2 O |
$$ | O O X X X X O O . O O . . X . O X 5 X |
$$ | . O O X X O X . . . . . X O O O X X X |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . . . . O O . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:51 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=18, W=14
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . X X O X . X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X O X X X X O O O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , O O X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . O X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X X . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O O O X X . X . X X . O |
$$ | . O O X O O O X . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O X X . X X , X O X |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O O X . O . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O X X X X O X X X O O |
$$ | X X X O O O . . O X . X X O O O O O . |
$$ | X O X . X O X . . O B O O . . O O . O |
$$ | O O X X X X O O . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . O O X X O X . . . . . X O O O X X X |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . . . . O O . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:58 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=18, W=15
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . X X O X . X X X X O X |
$$ | . . X O X X X X O O O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . O , O O X X X X X . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . O X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O 3 |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X X . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O O O X X . X . X X 8 O |
$$ | . O O X O O O X . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . 5 . O X X . X X 6 X O 9 |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O O X O O 7 |
$$ | . 4 X X O . . . O O O X . O . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O X X X X O X X X O O |
$$ | X X X O O O . . O X 2 X X O O O O O . |
$$ | X O X . X O X . . O X O O . . O O 1 O |
$$ | O O X X X X O O . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . O O X X O X . . . . . X O O O X X X |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . . . . O O . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if you accept this is the end.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:01 pm
by Magicwand
i dont have a board so i estimate with my reading,.....
i think you win by 1 point
can you verify that for me?

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:02 pm
by Kirby
I accept the board position. And, if I've counted correctly, that puts me at 1 point behind on board, plus komi, which makes me lose by 1.5 points. I couldn't quite make up the gap after you made that wall. I was hoping you would make a mistake or give up something in the ko... But no such luck.

Thank you for the game. I look forward to playing you at 3 stones.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:03 pm
by Kirby
Magicwand wrote:i dont have a board so i estimate with my reading,.....
i think you win by 1 point
can you verify that for me?


No, I think you are ahead by 1 on the board, plus komi = 1.5 ahead of me.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:10 pm
by Magicwand
Kirby wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i dont have a board so i estimate with my reading,.....
i think you win by 1 point
can you verify that for me?


No, I think you are ahead by 1 on the board, plus komi = 1.5 ahead of me.


really? i thought i was losing 1 point. i think we need to verify to make sure.

i think your ending game was supurb. i didnt find any mistake on your ending game.
you played few sequence of moves that i didnt see at the end and made the game closer than i wanted.
thank you for great game..

after verification 3 stone? i am sure you will win easily but it will be intresting.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:12 pm
by Kirby
Magicwand wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i dont have a board so i estimate with my reading,.....
i think you win by 1 point
can you verify that for me?


No, I think you are ahead by 1 on the board, plus komi = 1.5 ahead of me.


really? i thought i was losing 1 point. i think we need to verify to make sure.

i think your ending game was supurb. i didnt find any mistake on your ending game.
you played few sequence of moves that i didnt see at the end and made the game closer than i wanted.
thank you for great game..

after verification 3 stone? i am sure you will win easily but it will be intresting.


Thanks for the end game compliment.

I don't have a program, but when I count what's on the board, I see 62 points for black, and 66 for white. I have three more prisoners than you do, so that puts me at (relatively) 65 points to your 66.

I'd be happy to play again at 3 stones.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:29 pm
by Magicwand
Kirby wrote:...I'd be happy to play again at 3 stones.


set it up and i will start palying.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:33 pm
by Solomon
I just did Chinese counting on this to not worry about prisoners (after filling dame for both sides) and it comes out W+1.5, so it seems Kirby is right.

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:35 pm
by ketchup
Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm163 Move 163 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X O O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . X O O . O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O . X X O O O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O B . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . O X X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . O X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O X . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just trying to get big points, now...


You never explained this, but why not the marked stone here, instead of the A on top. I figured it would be taken into consideration. Isn't it a sente sequence?

Starting from black h11, w j12, f11, g10, f12.. Isn't this connection too big to let black get?

Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2

Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:55 pm
by Kirby
ketchup wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm163 Move 163 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X O O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . X O O . O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O . X X O O O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O B . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . O X X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . O X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O X . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just trying to get big points, now...


You never explained this, but why not the marked stone here, instead of the A on top. I figured it would be taken into consideration. Isn't it a sente sequence?

Starting from black h11, w j12, f11, g10, f12.. Isn't this connection too big to let black get?


Yes, better than game, I think.
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