Have a look at my sequence - I think all that is sente for White.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:19 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Li Kao wrote:
Is 3 sente or gote?
$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O B b . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | 5 . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X 3 a . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | 1 X 2 X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O B b . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | 5 . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X 3 a . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | 1 X 2 X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Move 3 looks like sente to me. The vital point is 5, and if white gets there first, I think black dies.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:04 am
by Violence
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | W X . X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | W X . X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Seems straightforward enough...
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:37 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X B X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X B X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:39 am
by Violence
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X W . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | . . X X W . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:43 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | 6 X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | 5 . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . 7 X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | 3 1 X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | 2 O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | 4 O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | 6 X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | 5 . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . 7 X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | 3 1 X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | 2 O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | 4 O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:53 am
by Violence
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . W . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . W . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ok... my postulate was that if I got both the reduction on the left and the reductions down here, I would win by a very comfortable margin after avoiding the ko.
I think I can breath a sigh of relief here, because I wasn't sure what would happen if he made the endgame chaotic.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:00 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . B X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . B X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
everything going as my plan
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:07 am
by Violence
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . W O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . W O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So my feeling is that White is ahead by around komi, but I haven't counted yet. It's almost to the point where I can count semi accurately.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:08 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . B X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . B X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
just as i expected he played gote.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:14 am
by Violence
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . W O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . W O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
His tesuji at S18 shouldn't work if I play here...
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:20 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:26 am
by Violence
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X X X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X X X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have to play here... otherwise, I can't get two eyes, and would have to spend 3 moves capturing those F5 stones.
I don't like allowing the tesuji on the top right, but this is just too big.
I also have the followup of capturing two stones.
Now that I think about it, I think M5 was a mistake... I should've played at L6 first. This way I'm guaranteed an eye and don't have to spend two moves here.
I can't believe I can miss something this simple. I feel dumb.
EDIT: AND the s18 tesuji doesn't even work! I have s19!
Wow, I'm dumb.
EDIT AGAIN: AGJSKFDSAJFKAG I have to stop reading badly.
S18 still works.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 3 2 5 | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . 6 4 O 1 . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O 7 . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 3 2 5 | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . 6 4 O 1 . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O 7 . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I lose by 1 lib.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 3 2 5 | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . 4 O 1 . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O 7 . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 3 2 5 | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . 4 O 1 . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O 7 . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X B X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X W X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Best I can get here is ko, which I don't want to fight.
So it seems the tesuji works.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:44 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O B . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X X X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X O X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O B . | $$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . | $$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X X X X X O . | $$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . X O . . O O O O O . | $$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . | $$ | X . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . X X . X O . X . X . . . X X O O X . | $$ | X X X X O . . X . X . . . . . X X . . | $$ | O O X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . | $$ | O X X X O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . | $$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O | $$ | O O O . . X X O . X O X . . O X O O X | $$ | . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . X X X X | $$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
yea..he didnt see that?? unexpected.. i will distroy his points in sente and now i have comfortable lead
