Life In 19x19

RobertJasiek wrote:

Kirby wrote:The real "authors" of the database are the pros.

Copyright law does not prevent progress of human knowledge. If work A uses exactly copied parts of work B, then it cites. In case of game records used in databases or books, the form of citation is stating the game context data like player names and date. In case of book sources, the citation states book title, author or page numbers.

I am yet to see an uploaded torrent of Lord of the Rings movie that does not cite Peter Jackson as the producer.

uPWarrior wrote:Thanks for letting me know that I'm allowed to completely merge your database with 2 others

I have NOT said this.

I am not an expert for database copyright law but, assuming it is at least roughly similar to written texts copyright law, only (reasonably small) PARTS may be cited.

badukJr wrote:Copying a game record move for move would be like copy a books text in its entirety

"would be" under which law?

RobertJasiek wrote:

badukJr wrote:Copying a game record move for move would be like copy a books text in its entirety

"would be" under which law?

Law of nature.

RobertJasiek wrote:

badukJr wrote:Copying a game record move for move would be like copy a books text in its entirety

"would be" under which law?

The copyright law here is not a scientific yes/no for every situation. You need to test in court if there is no precedent case available. I don't know what its like where you live.

But if your analogy is referencing fair use for books, it is wrong, as fair use only covers a tiny tiny part of the cited book. The only exception is educational use which is also very narrow situation.

RobertJasiek wrote:

uPWarrior wrote:Thanks for letting me know that I'm allowed to completely merge your database with 2 others

I have NOT said this.

I am not an expert for database copyright law but, assuming it is at least roughly similar to written texts copyright law, only (reasonably small) PARTS may be cited.

So you don't want people to copy your work, but you shamelessly and INTEGRALLY copy that of others?
I'm sorry, but as there are no specific laws concerning databases, there are also no specific laws concerning game records. I can't see a reason you should treat them any differently.

uPWarrior wrote:I'm sorry, but as there are no specific laws concerning databases

I'm sorry, but you may want to actually do even a single bit of research before making a strong claim...a simple google search will turn up millions of references to this.

Mef wrote:

uPWarrior wrote:I'm sorry, but as there are no specific laws concerning databases

I'm sorry, but you may want to actually do even a single bit of research before making a strong claim...a simple google search will turn up millions of references to this.

I shall rephrase: Legally, there is no reason to consider this database to deserve better protection than the game records it contains.

Nagano: what exactly is my property right that is violated when someone compromises my computer?

hyperpape wrote:Nagano: what exactly is my property right that is violated when someone compromises my computer?

The technical term is 'tresspass to chattel'. It is a tort.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

hyperpape wrote:Nagano: what exactly is my property right that is violated when someone compromises my computer?

The technical term is 'tresspass to chattel'. It is a tort.

Yeah, but you can't go by existing law when evaluating a strict libertarian position.

hyperpape wrote:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

hyperpape wrote:Nagano: what exactly is my property right that is violated when someone compromises my computer?

The technical term is 'tresspass to chattel'. It is a tort.

Yeah, but you can't go by existing law when evaluating a strict libertarian position.

What property right is violated when someone compromises my car? Or my face, for that matter? I'm not going to disagree that it's hard to evaluate a strict libertarian position, but you can't ask for types of property right violations and then complain when someone offers you one!

RobertJasiek wrote:

Kirby wrote:The real "authors" of the database are the pros.

Copyright law does not prevent progress of human knowledge. If work A uses exactly copied parts of work B, then it cites. In case of game records used in databases or books, the form of citation is stating the game context data like player names and date. In case of book sources, the citation states book title, author or page numbers.

I do not care about copyright law. I am simply commenting on what I personally find moral - or in this case, immoral. I will not try to claim that my view is anything more than my personal opinion.

hyperpape wrote:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

hyperpape wrote:Nagano: what exactly is my property right that is violated when someone compromises my computer?

The technical term is 'tresspass to chattel'. It is a tort.

Yeah, but you can't go by existing law when evaluating a strict libertarian position.

What specifically do you want to know? I've already explained what is considered property and what is not, and why.

His basic point is that you set the computer to accept data, which is akin to putting a book on display. Someone reads it, done is done, kind of. If you read it really to the letter and assume pure greed (without malicious intent as such), there's not much of an argument to be made if you want to be really anal about it.
The presence of a firewall or a password lock or whatever would obviously be a different matter entirely, that's a very clear statement of "you are not allowed to do this".