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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:35 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:40 pm
by SoDesuNe
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:50 pm
by Horibe
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:56 pm
by tj86430
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:58 pm
by zinger
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:05 pm
by Magicwand
i resign.
i counted and am down more than komi. close to 10 points maybe more.
i can not win this game.
earlier counts i did was false count i posted incase my opponent see my hidden

sorry for giving observers false infomation.
i had good game in the beginning and i guess i didnt attack his group correctly and the lead shifted to his way. and surprisingly he kept his lead all the way to the end.
and also didnt bite my bates. i believe he is stronger than i thought. but i still think i am stronger

nice game Violence.
i will read post comments and post my thoughts after i go home.
thanks everyone for watching this game and sorry for subpar game i displayed.
i will try to have better game on next game.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:06 pm
by Violence
Thanks for the game, Magicwand.
And so our epic 3 game series is over.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:07 pm
by Chew Terr
Thanks, gentlemen, this game was a lot of fun to watch.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:10 pm
by Violence
My god, guys....
Your counts...
I'm incredibly amazed.
My diagram was pretty much a conservative count, and somehow, despite not needing any additional moves... People came up with very different values for the outcome. My diagram should be like W+6-7
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:11 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Thanks, guys. It was a fun game.
I triple-checked my counting. If the endgame went the way Violence predicted, I get 70.5 for W (including 7 prisoners and 6.5 komi) and 66 for black (including 11 prisoners). I see the prisoner count has magically changed to 9 so that makes it W+6.5 by my count. I missed five white points in my count before.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:11 pm
by Li Kao
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Violence]PB[Magicwand]US[Li Kao]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dq]
;B[cj]
;W[cn]
;B[cg]
;W[gc]
;B[jp]
;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]
;B[qo]
;W[on]
;B[po]
;W[om]
;B[np]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]
;W[rd]
;B[pj]
;W[qc]
;B[nk]
;W[mm]
;B[lk]
;W[km]
;B[ln]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]
;W[kl]
;B[jj]
;W[lc]
;B[qe]
;W[pe]
;B[oe]
;W[pf]
;B[qd]
;W[re]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]
;B[ic]
;W[of]
;B[me]
;W[ne]
;B[md]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[hd]
;B[jc]
;W[cf]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[bb]
;W[db]
;B[ac]
;W[hq]
;B[cp]
;W[cq]
;B[fp]
;W[go]
;B[fo]
;W[dp]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]
;B[jn]
;W[jk]
;B[fm]
;W[ij]
;B[ji]
;W[hl]
;B[im]
;W[fr]
;B[hj]
;W[ii]
;B[ik]
;W[il]
;B[hk]
;W[gl]
;B[gq]
;W[gr]
;B[ih]
;W[hn]
;B[hm]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]
;W[ek]
;B[ir]
;W[hr]
;B[dl]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[cl]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]
;B[bl]
;W[el]
;B[df]
;W[cd]
;B[bf]
;W[ce]
;B[cb]
;W[dg]
;B[ch]
;W[eg]
;B[hi]
;W[cl]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[dl]
;W[em]
;B[jq]
;W[ae]
;B[ad]
;W[cl]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[fg]
;W[di]
;B[bg]
;W[am]
;B[dl]
;W[rn]
;B[ro]
;W[cl]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[dl]
;W[ab]
;B[aa]
;W[cl]
;B[ei]
;W[fi]
;B[dl]
;W[je]
;B[ke]
;W[cl]
;B[ci]
;W[kf]
;B[jf]
;W[ie]
;B[le]
;W[jg]
;B[dj]
;W[fh]
;B[gg]
;W[ig]
;B[hg]
;W[qi]
;B[hp]
;W[gp]
;B[ip]
;W[fq]
;B[qj]
;W[pi]
;B[pa]
;W[hb]
;B[ib]
;W[fe]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]
;B[rk]
;W[ql]
;B[rg]
;W[qh]
;B[sh]
;W[rf]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[qg]
;W[ph]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
;B[so]
;W[rl]
;B[ni]
;W[bk]
;B[dl]
;W[al]
;B[cl]
;W[ej]
;B[bj]
;W[ak]
;B[aj]
;W[an]
;B[ah]
;W[af]
;B[bi]
;W[mo]
;B[mp]
;W[lo]
;B[od]
;W[nf]
;B[nd]
;W[kn]
;B[rb]
;W[rc]
;B[qa]
;W[pg]
;B[sg]
;W[nh]
;B[in]
;W[mi]
;B[ok]
;W[kk]
;B[kj]
;W[li]
;B[lj]
;W[sf]
;B[ef]
;W[ff]
;B[gk]
;W[jl]
;B[fj]
;W[gj]
;B[gi]
;W[fj]
;B[gh]
;W[dn]
;AE[ln]AW[ea][eb][fb][gb][pb][sb][sc][ge][hf][kg][ng][kh][lh][pk][sk][ll][sl][lm][mn][nn][oo][kp][lp][iq][hs]AB[ca][da][fa][ga][ha][ia][oa][ra][ob][gf][lf][lg][mg][mh][si][mj][oj][rj][nl][jo][ko][no][op][kq][lq][jr][is])
SE thinks violence's position is W+6.5 but with only 10 (not 11) white prisoners.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:14 pm
by Magicwand
Violence wrote:My god, guys....
Your counts...
I'm incredibly amazed.
My diagram was pretty much a conservative count, and somehow, despite not needing any additional moves... People came up with very different values for the outcome.
i looked at your count..and i am losing more than your diag. probably 5 points more.
when i am down and end is near..i can not just play correct move and exptect to win.
i twisted sequences and made it complicated as possible but your judgement was impressive.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:17 pm
by Violence
Yeah... I tend to count conservatively when I actually sit down and count, so it's usually skewed toward my opponent. This is why I don't count until quite late in the game, unless I have to make a big decision, like that ko.
I think I wasn't doing well until I captured the F5 group. To me, that's the turning point in the game.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:20 pm
by Kirby
Bravo. It's a pity that you two won't play another.
Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:21 pm
by Magicwand
Kirby wrote:Bravo. It's a pity that you two won't play another.
we probably willl meet in L19 game.