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Author:  Jnkstry [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
fireproof wrote:
yishn wrote:
Thanks! As for the userstyle, simply remove styles.css from the application settings folder. It won't change any settings of Sabaki.


Using OS X 10.11 -- found ~/Library/Application Support/Sabaki, but removing styles.css doesn't do anything, as it's recreated each time Sabaki is launched. It's blank anyway, perhaps this isn't the right way to remove the realistic style?

Also found the game library is reset each time; games that have been added haven't been moved, but don't show up under "manage games"





Would be great if Sabaki copied and stored the added games or sgf files in an own folder. so it wouldn't matter if you move the original sgfs. all neat and clean then
Author:  Jaafar [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
Does not work on Vista
Something not found in shell32.dll
Author:  yishn [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
fireproof wrote:
yishn wrote:
Thanks! As for the userstyle, simply remove styles.css from the application settings folder. It won't change any settings of Sabaki.


Using OS X 10.11 -- found ~/Library/Application Support/Sabaki, but removing styles.css doesn't do anything, as it's recreated each time Sabaki is launched. It's blank anyway, perhaps this isn't the right way to remove the realistic style?

Also found the game library is reset each time; games that have been added haven't been moved, but don't show up under "manage games"


Yes, style.css will be created, but if style.css is blank, Sabaki won't change the default styles.

You seem to have the wrong idea of 'Manage games'. It's not for building your own game library, but to save multiple games within one SGF file. Sabaki is a SGF editor after all, not a database. You can of course create a SGF file with all your games saved within that file; loading that file will also load the games saved within.

Jaafar wrote:
Does not work on Vista
Something not found in shell32.dll


I'm afraid Windows Vista is not supported.
Author:  yishn [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
Jnkstry wrote:
yishn wrote:
It's nothing that I know of... Can you reproduce the problem? If yes, please describe the steps leading to this and what you would expect Sabaki to do.

Keep in mind that games in 'Manage Games' are tied to SGF files.



1. open sabaki
2. manage games
3. add existing game
4. i chose a sgf file (i tried kogos joseki sgf and several games i downloaded from gogameguru, ogs and kgs)
5. close sabaki
6. restart
7. manage games
8. no games are in the library

i want to try and completely delete sabaki and reinstall it.
is it enough to remove the %appdata% folder and the folder that i unzipped sabaki to?

i would love to have sabaki as my studying library


As written above, Sabaki is not intended as a game library manager. However, you can do the following:

1. Create a new file
2. Add games using 'Manage Games...'
3. Save file in your favourite place, such as 'library.sgf'
4. Next time you want to have your saved games ready, open 'library.sgf'

Don't forget to save the file every time you add/remove games. Also keep in mind that the loading of a file takes longer, the bigger your file is.

To deinstall Sabaki it suffices to remove the folder you unzipped to. To remove all settings you have to remove %appdata% as well.
Author:  Jnkstry [ Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
yishn wrote:
Jnkstry wrote:
yishn wrote:
It's nothing that I know of... Can you reproduce the problem? If yes, please describe the steps leading to this and what you would expect Sabaki to do.

Keep in mind that games in 'Manage Games' are tied to SGF files.



1. open sabaki
2. manage games
3. add existing game
4. i chose a sgf file (i tried kogos joseki sgf and several games i downloaded from gogameguru, ogs and kgs)
5. close sabaki
6. restart
7. manage games
8. no games are in the library

i want to try and completely delete sabaki and reinstall it.
is it enough to remove the %appdata% folder and the folder that i unzipped sabaki to?

i would love to have sabaki as my studying library


As written above, Sabaki is not intended as a game library manager. However, you can do the following:

1. Create a new file
2. Add games using 'Manage Games...'
3. Save file in your favourite place, such as 'library.sgf'
4. Next time you want to have your saved games ready, open 'library.sgf'

Don't forget to save the file every time you add/remove games. Also keep in mind that the loading of a file takes longer, the bigger your file is.

To deinstall Sabaki it suffices to remove the folder you unzipped to. To remove all settings you have to remove %appdata% as well.



Thanks for the detailed reply.

Okay so i must have missunderstood the MANAGE GAME menu. It looked like a library thingy to me. No plans of extending the functionality in this direction? :D :D :D
Author:  Jnkstry [ Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
Sabaki v0.15.1 (2016-06-07)

Added

Score estimator
Ability to select multiple existing files to add to SGF collection
Changed

Doesn't leave scoring mode when closing score table
Update to Electron v1.2.1
Fixed

Fix sending invalid GTP command when passing


https://github.com/yishn/Sabaki/releases



newest Sabaki release. Loving it!
Author:  Jnkstry [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
@yishn any plans to add an auto-play feature for viewing sgf files with different speeds?
Author:  yishn [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
Jnkstry wrote:
@yishn any plans to add an auto-play feature for viewing sgf files with different speeds?


Did you know you can click and hold the down button on the slider to "scroll down" the game? The longer you press, the faster it will be scrolling.

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Author:  Jnkstry [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sabaki SGF editor
I didn't know that but i was thinking more of a PLAY button and then it shows move per move in a preset Intervall. Lets say between 5 and 20 seconds vor something like that. So you can watch a kifu free hands
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:45 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hi yishn,

Thanks for all your work on an SGF editor.

Basic user questions:

I'm testing Sabaki on Windows 8.

(*) Is there a "menu" bar ? I mean buttons for the most common tasks:
Open, Save, Navigation ( Next Move, Previous Move, Jump to Start node, Jump to End node, etc. ) ?
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(*) Ctrl+Shift+F toggles Full screen.
Once Full screen, if the user forgets the keyboard sequence, is there any visual button or method to get out of full screen mode ?
( Example: a common custom is the Esc button, on Windows. )

(*) Currently, when I replay an existing SGF, there is no stone click sound on each move (even with Sound Enabled) --
could this be an option ?

(*) Is there an option to Enable/Display the display of the terms (e.g. Hane, One space jump, etc. ) ?
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(*) Is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle Coordinates ?

(*) Some of the terms displayed are unusual.
Example: 'Stretch' -- usually, we use 'extend' ( or 'descend' or 'drop' for certain cases; and others ).
Example: 'Attachment' -- unusual -- usually, we see 'attach' in books, or game commentaries, etc.
Example: Usually, we don't call this shape a '2-point jump':
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It's just a direct jump into 3-3.

(*) Up arrow for Previous move and Down arrow for Next move and Previous move may feel unnatural for some people --
I understand this may have to do with the shape of the game tree displayed --
could this mapping be made a user setting ?
Example: Left arrow for Previous move, Right arrow for Next move, etc.


Thanks.
Author:  yishn [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
Jnkstry wrote:
I didn't know that but i was thinking more of a PLAY button and then it shows move per move in a preset Intervall. Lets say between 5 and 20 seconds vor something like that. So you can watch a kifu free hands


I created an issue for this feature request.

EdLee wrote:
Is there a "menu" bar ? I mean buttons for the most common tasks:
Open, Save, Navigation ( Next Move, Previous Move, Jump to Start node, Jump to End node, etc. ) ?


Yes there is, right beneath the title bar where the menu bar is normally located.

EdLee wrote:
Ctrl+Shift+F toggles Full screen.

Once in Full screen, if the user forgets the keyboard sequence, is there any visual button or method to get out of full screen mode ?


In full screen mode press the 'Alt' key to show the menu bar, then choose 'View' > 'Toggle Full Screen' in the menu. I should probably let people exit full screen by pressing 'Esc'.

EdLee wrote:
Currently, when I replay an existing SGF, there is no stone click sound on each move --
could this be an option ?


When navigating the SGF file, there won't be a stone click sound, as it makes no sense. There will only be sounds if you click/touch the board.
Author:  yishn [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
EdLee wrote:
(*) Is there an option to toggle the display of the terms (e.g. Hane, One space jump, etc. ) ?


No, but I see there should be.

EdLee wrote:
(*) Is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle Coordinates ?


Not yet, please tell me what keyboard shortcut you like. Take a look at the menu for shortcuts that are already in use. 'Ctrl+C' cannot be used for obvious reasons, 'Ctrl+Alt+C' toggles the GTP console for now.

EdLee wrote:
Some of the terms displayed are unusual. Example: 'Stretch' -- usually, we use 'extend' ( or 'descend' or 'drop' for certain cases; and others ).


I'm not sure who 'we' are, but there are certainly people using 'stretch'. I tried to name the moves as independent of orientation and location as possible. Please do tell me what other terms you find unusual.

EdLee wrote:
(*) Up arrow for Previous move and Down arrow for Next move and Previous move may feel unnatural for some people --
I understand this may have to do with the shape of the game tree displayed --
could this mapping be made a user setting ?
Example: Left arrow for Previous move, Right arrow for Next move, etc.


No.
Author:  yishn [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
My, I can't keep up with the responses. :)

EdLee wrote:
Example: 'Attachment' -- unusual -- usually, we see 'attach' in books, or game commentaries, etc.


I'd say you're nitpicking. These terms are not terribly different. I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm pretty sure 'attachment' is the noun form of 'to attach'.

EdLee wrote:
Example: Usually, we don't call this shape a '2-point jump':
Attachment:
unusual_term.jpg
It's just a direct jump into 3-3.


Yes, you're right. Unfortunately, there is a limit what a simple shape recognizer can do. But you can always edit the title of a node to have your custom title displayed there.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:35 pm ]
Post subject: 
yishn wrote:
Quote:
Is there a "menu" bar ? I mean buttons for the most common tasks:
Open, Save, Navigation ( Next Move, Previous Move, Jump to Start node, Jump to End node, etc. ) ?
Yes there is, right beneath the title bar where the menu bar is normally located.
Not the OS Text menus. But a Buttons menu; example:
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Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:38 pm ]
Post subject: 
yishn wrote:
I should probably let people exit full screen by pressing 'Esc'.
Thank you; good idea.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:41 pm ]
Post subject: 
yishn wrote:
Quote:
Currently, when I replay an existing SGF, there is no stone click sound on each move --
could this be an option ?
When navigating the SGF file, there won't be a stone click sound, as it makes no sense.
It may make no sense to you, but it makes a lot of sense to some other people.

It depends on our way of thinking, or frame of reference.
If we replay a live broadcast of a game, even though it's a replay, the stone sounds don't suddenly disappear. They still come with the moves:
Similarly, if we replay a game on a real board, as we place the stones, we still hear the sounds, even though it's a replay of a previous game.

Later, you may add a feature to auto-replay an existing SGF.
Some people may enjoy the stone sounds, others may not.

Thus, the request of an Option.

Of course, it's your product; it's up to you.
These are all feedback from a Go apps user of 14+ years.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:46 pm ]
Post subject: 
yishn wrote:
Quote:
Is there an option to toggle the display of the terms (e.g. Hane, One space jump, etc. ) ?
No, but I see there should be.
Thank you.
yishn wrote:
Quote:
Is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle Coordinates ?
Not yet, please tell me what keyboard shortcut you like.
Thanks for the consideration.
A Button would be nice, too -- example: the right-most button:
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gIgo used Alt+C to toggle coordinates, which I find a little awkward.
Go Panda uses the single letter 'c' directly ( if the hotspot is the board ).
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:57 pm ]
Post subject: 
yishn wrote:
I'm not sure who 'we' are, but there are certainly people using 'stretch'.
I tried to name the moves as independent of orientation and location as possible.
yishn wrote:
I'd say you're nitpicking. These terms are not terribly different. I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm pretty sure 'attachment' is the noun form of 'to attach'.
If and when a toggle for the terms is available, I'll Disable the terms by default.
I understand the terms could be useful for certain learners.
I'm only providing feedback to you and others users who find the terms useful -- they are not for me.

Yes, I know attachment (n.) and attach (v.).
yishn wrote:
Please do tell me what other terms you find unusual.
Thanks -- I'll provide more as I encounter them.

Example: this shape becomes a 'diagonal attachment' or Kick :
-- ( Japanese: kosumi tsuke ) --
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Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:04 pm ]
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Unusual to call this 3-3 move a Shoulder hit :
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Author:  EdLee [ Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:10 pm ]
Post subject: 
I understand the pattern recognition may become increasingly difficult.
These are merely suggestions. :)

We'd probably call this move a Turn :
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