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Author:  Ember [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
macelee wrote:
Can anyone help me identify the European players of this year's Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship?

From their names translated to Chinese, I can recognise some of them. But is this player involved: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Pl ... y=15774187

In the 1st picture of this article, I think I can pretty clearly recognise Ariane Ougier on the right side: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-04-26/doc-ihvhiewr8375140.shtml Does that help...?

Is someone else from Europe there, too?

And: Is there an official website?
Author:  jlt [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
If there are three European players, logically they should be Natalya Kovaleva, Ariane Ougier and Rita Pocsai who were on the podium of the European Women's Go Championship 2018

http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/To ... n=10686346

Edit: since there are 8 players from Europe and North America, maybe there are 4 from Europe and 4 from America?
Author:  macelee [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
You are right. The 4th placed player in that EU tournament is also playing in this international tournament.
Author:  Mapleleaf [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Yes there are 4 players from Europe and 4 from North America. They played each other for the first round:

Stephanie Yin Vs Cathy Li
Ariane Ougier Vs Rita Pocsai
Gabriel Su Vs Natalia Kovaleva
Feng Yun Vs Dina Burdakova

The next round will be tomorrow:

Hsieh Yimin Vs Gao Xing
Mannami Nao Vs Wang Shuang
Feng Yun Vs Lu Minquan
Nyu Eiko Vs Li He
Ariane Ougier Vs Yang Zixuan
Kim Hyeoimin Vs Natalia Kovaleva
Oh Yujin Vs Stephanie Yin
Cho Seungah Vs Yu Lijun

Yu Zhiying, Rui Naiwei, Wang Chenxing, Kim Cheayoung, Choi Jeong, Oh Jeonga, Ueno Asami, Fujisawa Rina will play in the next round I believe.

I think I would cheer for Oh Yujin this time for her aggressive playing style, although Yu Zhiying and Choi Jeong are favorites for this tournament.

Source with some photos: https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/gonews/detail/24687?type=1
https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/gonews/detail/24688?type=1
Author:  Mapleleaf [ Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
At the same time, the 2019 World AI Go Tournament is also happening in the same city in Fuzhou.
After 3 rounds of qualifications, Baduki has 3 wins, Leela Zero and Golaxy are 2 wins and 1 loss.

1st round:

Raynz Vs Go Genius
Baduki Vs Golois
Golaxy Vs Leela Zero https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/17523
YXT (Eagle Eyes) Vs Dol Baram https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/17516/1/14570425

2nd round:

Leela Zero Vs YXT (Eagle Eyes) https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/17526/1/14586414
Baduki Vs Raynz
Dol Baram Vs Golaxy https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/17528
Golois Vs Go Genius

3rd round:

Leela Zero Vs Baduki https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/17541
Raynz Vs Golois
Golaxy Vs YXT (Eagle Eyes) https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/17538/1/14593129
Go Genius Vs Dol Baram

The winner of this AI tournament will play the semi-finalists of the Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship.

Source: https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/gonews/detail/24683?type=1 (game records are available when clicking the blue links)

https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/gonews/detail/24674?type=1
Author:  Ember [ Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Has anybody some more results...?
Author:  macelee [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
qualifier:

Ariane Ougier bt. Rita Pocsai
Feng Yun bt. Dina Burdakova
Yin Mingming (Stephanie) bt. Li Chenshuo (Cathy)
Natalia Kovaleva bt. Su Geping

round 1:

Lu Minquan bt. Feng Yun
Oh Yujin bt. Yin Mingming
Kim Hyeoimin bt. Natalia Kovaleva
Yang Zixuan bt. Ariane Ougier
Cho Seungah bt. Yu Lijun
Gao Xing bt. Xie Yimin
Li He bt. Nyu Eiko
Wang Shuang bt. Mannami Nao

The AI tournament:

Golaxy and Baduki are in the final. There was a big dispute in a preliminary round as Baduki lost heavily to YXT (trained by Yikeweiqi) but allegedly kept playing to force its opponent to lose by time.
Author:  Uberdude [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
macelee wrote:
The AI tournament:

Golaxy and Baduki are in the final. There was a big dispute in a preliminary round as Baduki lost heavily to YXT (trained by Yikeweiqi) but allegedly kept playing to force its opponent to lose by time.


There's more info and discussion and link to game at https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments ... iminaries/. As I understand the tournament is played with sudden death, human operators relaying the bot's moves on a board, and chinese rules. A recipe for problems. If it's true that the Yike operator ignored the Yike bot's instruction to play a move to pass instead because they wanted to finish the game as running low on time that's a worse infringement IMO than baduki playing moves in a lost late endgame position under Chinese rules and sudden death. Indeed entering GnuGo at 1 second a move in such a competition would be a good baseline to ensure people don't devote all their effort to playing strength and none to time management and game end conditions.
Author:  ez4u [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Just shows that the tournaments should always be played using gtp rather than human operators. With the increasing integration of bots into go servers around the world and individuals running bots in the cloud, how can the organizers possibly justify all the extra issues introduced by human intervention?
Author:  Ember [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
macelee wrote:
qualifier:

Ariane Ougier bt. Rita Pocsai
Feng Yun bt. Dina Burdakova
Yin Mingming (Stephanie) bt. Li Chenshuo (Cathy)
Natalia Kovaleva bt. Su Geping

round 1:

Lu Minquan bt. Feng Yun
Oh Yujin bt. Yin Mingming
Kim Hyeoimin bt. Natalia Kovaleva
Yang Zixuan bt. Ariane Ougier
Cho Seungah bt. Yu Lijun
Gao Xing bt. Xie Yimin
Li He bt. Nyu Eiko
Wang Shuang bt. Mannami Nao


Thanks a lot, macelee! It had to be expected that Europe would be eliminated in round 1, but I'm sad to see, that Japan is also already eliminated. I had some hopes for them since there has been a very positive development in the Japanese women scene recently. Maybe they just need a bit more time.

And I would also prefer a seperate thread for the AI tournament. It's got nothing to do with the Women World Championship - I don't get why they held it at the same time and place anyway. :-(
Author:  macelee [ Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Ember wrote:
And I would also prefer a seperate thread for the AI tournament. It's got nothing to do with the Women World Championship - I don't get why they held it at the same time and place anyway. :-(


They are part of a big event, together with a round of Chinese A league, and some human-AI exhibition games (possible Golaxy giving 2 stones to some top female players), and other activities involving fans. In my opinion this is very good format for promoting Go.
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Quarter finals:

Choi Jeong beat Gao Xing
Rui Naiwei beat Ueno Asami
Li He beat Wang Shuang by 0.5
Wang Chenxing beat Oh Yujin

Also Golaxy beat Rui Naiwei on 2 stones (dunno if komi). They had a fight and Rui died for not much compensation.
Author:  sorin [ Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Uberdude wrote:
Quarter finals:

Choi Jeong beat Gao Xing
Rui Naiwei beat Ueno Asami
Li He beat Wang Shuang by 0.5
Wang Chenxing beat Oh Yujin

Also Golaxy beat Rui Naiwei on 2 stones (dunno if komi).


All 4 semifinalists took 2 stones and lost. I believe without komi.
Author:  Mapleleaf [ Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
It was said Choi Jeong was sick so she didn't play, a young player Cho Seungah played instead. But she read the ladder incorrectly from the very beginning... Li He and Wang Chenxing played to the end and both lost 1 point.

And congrats Rui Naiwai on being back to the Semi-Finals- she lost to Ueno Asami last year in the same tournament but she made it this time.
Author:  sorin [ Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Mapleleaf wrote:
It was said Choi Jeong was sick so she didn't play, a young player Cho Seungah played instead. But she read the ladder incorrectly from the very beginning... Li He and Wang Chenxing played to the end and both lost 1 point.

And congrats Rui Naiwai on being back to the Semi-Finals- she lost to Ueno Asami last year in the same tournament but she made it this time.


Ah, that explains the very strange early exchange - move 19 should have been one point to the right, given that white can break the ladder with the next move! I only wrote the beginning of the game here, they played for 100+ moves before black resigned.
Author:  Ember [ Wed May 01, 2019 1:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
macelee wrote:
Ember wrote:
And I would also prefer a seperate thread for the AI tournament. It's got nothing to do with the Women World Championship - I don't get why they held it at the same time and place anyway. :-(


They are part of a big event, together with a round of Chinese A league, and some human-AI exhibition games (possible Golaxy giving 2 stones to some top female players), and other activities involving fans. In my opinion this is very good format for promoting Go.


Hm, ok, but in that case, the thread title is a bit misleading because I wouldn't look for an AI tournament here.

Anyways, it's sad that Ueno got eliminated, but it's no big deal to lose to Rui Naiwei. I'd love to see her playing Choi Jeong in the final!
Author:  Mapleleaf [ Wed May 01, 2019 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Go Seigen Cup World Women's Championship
Yeah it was unfortunate that she didn't realize the ladder breaker in the beginning. It should've been better if move 19 was played at D17.

It was said that the AI "Go Genius" with an old man image was developed by the Nie Weiping Go School. Although it didn't get a win in this tournament, the project is aiming at training the young students in the school in future.
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