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by Fredrik Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:11 am
Joaz Banbeck wrote: To observers: This feels too submissive.
Black can't hane underneath at 4 because 1 covers the cut at 'a' for white:
$$Wc
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Anyway, instead Black could play like this to connect
$$Wc
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by Magicwand Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:58 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Fredrik:
dont comment too hard on our game.. we are only mid dan.
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by daniel_the_smith Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:10 am
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by Joaz Banbeck Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:27 am
@Araban:
Araban wrote: ...
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Making the two-space extension from
('a') is naive, although instinctively pleasing. What is the purpose of
? It is to keep White's left side in check and ensure he doesn't build some monstrous framework, not to settle (although these are not mutually exclusive).
'a' may allow my group to settle, sure, but it can be "flattened" very easily. ...
Can you show us the approximate sequence that you thought would flatten black? Thanks.
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by Solomon Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:02 pm
Gonna try to cram 3 weeks worth of material from my stochastic calculus class in 1 day at the library, so I'll be a bit busy today. I'll post my move tonight (and answer Joaz's question, although if someone else can answer it that'd be nice too, as it'd show me that others understand my concept of "flattening").
But let me post some brief thoughts:
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
I said earlier that if White were to play
, it would be slow and gote. It is slow, but what I wonder is whether it is really gote. It is
quite clear that he wants to play a move like 'a' so he can bully my group around. So the questions I'm really asking myself are:
Should I play where my opponent wants to play?
If I play a big move elsewhere and he caps, could I survive?
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by SpongeBob Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:11 pm
Question for Fredrik:
Fredrik wrote:
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$$Wcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
Next white will tenuki and not connect at a.
I would connect at a without hesitation - wouldn't it be really, really huge to seal black in??
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by Dusk Eagle Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:13 pm
On a related note, although I have seen elsewhere that white often does not connect at 'a', in that case, why play the
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exchange at all?
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by topazg Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:24 pm
Dusk Eagle wrote:
On a related note, although I have seen elsewhere that white often does not connect at 'a', in that case, why play the
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exchange at all?
Presumably the aji is better:
$$Bcm11
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This has more potential than Black after:
$$Bcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
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by Fredrik Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:24 pm
SpongeBob wrote: Question for Fredrik:
Fredrik wrote:
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$$Wcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11 This would be the correct play for magicwand.
Next white will tenuki and not connect at a.
I would connect at a without hesitation - wouldn't it be really, really huge to seal black in??
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by Solomon Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:27 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Play where your opponent wants to play. As much as I want to play elsewhere and take a big point, White's top is pretty strong + by playing my move, it lets me worry less about the center group and concern myself on how to handle F17 or which points are biggest on the board. I like thinking about these things better.
'a'-'d' were the moves I had in mind really. Some people may call my last move 'slow'...I prefer 'steady'. Now I can make a loose surround and gain control of the center with 'x', although there is a weakness at 'y' (ko problem if I block directly with 'd').
RE Joaz:
$$Bcm15 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 When B plays the two-space extension, White has moves he can play later on (e.g., when his bottom group stabilizes) such as 'a' and 'b' to force Black to reinforce the connection between the two stones while White gets stones on the outside. A move like 'c' can also put pressure on Black; despite the two-space extension if White is strong on the outside there is still weakness in the B8 area. Also 'c' forces Black to move out anyways as I've already taken care of.
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by Magicwand Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:26 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Nikolas73 Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:43 am
Araban wrote:
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Now I can make a loose surround and gain control of the center with 'x'
Magicwand wrote:
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
i think it is the only move
Haha, when I read what Araban wrote I suspected Magicwand would play here next... don't you just hate when that happens?
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by Solomon Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:23 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Aphelion Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:25 pm
('a') is naive, although instinctively pleasing. What is the purpose of 
, it would be slow and gote. It is slow, but what I wonder is whether it is really gote. It is quite clear that he wants to play a move like 'a' so he can bully my group around. So the questions I'm really asking myself are: 
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exchange at all?
