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Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

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Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:43 pm
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:56 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:24 am
by Loons
I would have a hard time answering white G12 as black. I'll be surprised if Shaddy plays something different.

Edit: Really lots of moves seem possible. G7 H6 F12 might be more interesting. I really don't know.

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:02 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:48 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:11 pm
by hyperpape
I'm not saying white will live, but I feel a lot better about this position than anytime since the first couple of moves.

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:57 pm
by Shaddy
This move is hard to decide on. I'll post it tomorrow.

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:03 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Shaddy:
Why did you play that last move? It looked like aji keshi.

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:45 pm
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . 7 . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Joaz:
I don't care about the lower right anymore, there's no way it can live. And I don't think any other forcing move here would as useful as this, but maybe I'm wrong..

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:27 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:53 am
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . 9 X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:53 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
there is no way he can make life now..

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:09 am
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm31 Can white still make a living group?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . O . O O X X X X . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:46 pm
by cdybeijing
No comments on that last move from white? I would like to know how Shaddy evaluates his chances for living at this point.

Re: Killovitch 1: Magicwand vs. Shaddy

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:32 pm
by Shaddy
I think I'm ok, but we're getting awfully close to the edge. This variant of capture-go seems harder for white than the one I usually play, which puts an iron pillar on each side star and 4-4 and 3-3 in each corner for black.
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