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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:08 am
by stalkor
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$Bcm19 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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seems a fight will ensue, i feel ok with this fight but i didn't expect he would invade there directly.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:30 am
by EdLee
In stalkor's variation, perhaps B can first do the (b)-(c) exchange to give W a dumpling shape before jumping out.
stalkor wrote: $$Bm19
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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:37 am
by Psychee
jts wrote: @topazg and kirby,
Why do you like that
? It would never have occurred to me to play like that... it looks like a hugely broken shape.
I have a similiar feeling. It's like inviting black to cut through large knight's move.
But nowadays, some josekis are filled with broken shapes as well.
So maybe broken is nothing wrong, if you can fight.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:43 am
by EdLee
ez4u,
ez4u wrote: Right, but we are not going to find many that involve White invading between two Black positions like this.
Normally White attacks with
from some other stones in the lower right. topazg may be over doing it here.
Dave, I agree.
was arguably even a jealous move -- clearly the left side and the bottom were both wide open?
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:55 am
by topazg
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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I've decided to follow up my bottom probe differently:
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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EDIT: Reason being, there's absolutely no point in forcing Black to start a splitting attack.
My spider senses are beginning to tell me I'm being greedy though.
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:12 am
by Psychee
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:01 am
by EdLee
Maybe B can do even better than just nobi (at
), with a jump to
--
W cannot wedge at
because this result is a disaster for W (hugely broken shape for W):
$$B
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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:26 am
by Kirby
topazg wrote: $$Bcm11 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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Fine by me, I may get to play there later, which is great, as it was sente for Black (and joseki, AFAIK, for that reason). Still, the fact he hasn't got the bend is useful, as I want to play this. Is it overplay? Bah, probably, but it unsettles his group nicely - I may get to make a base on the side in sente, and then play at the bottom. I strongly considered playing on the bottom first, but I didn't like this:
$$Bcm17 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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It's also probably fine, and actually, doesn't really look that bad, but this right hand side situation looks like a now a never, and I'm curious to see how it will go. As I'm alive in the corner, I can treat those two stones pretty lightly.
jts wrote: @topazg and kirby,
Why do you like that
? It would never have occurred to me to play like that... it looks like a hugely broken shape.
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:13 am
by stalkor
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:16 am
by topazg
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:50 am
by jts
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:45 am
by stalkor
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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i cant let topazg take control like this, i have to be confident this group will live or connect, i still have a to cause some havoc later on though if i really need to, but i'd rather not play there unless i really need to.
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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im not worried about the cut because i will then push out and still get the right hand side of the board.
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:56 am
by topazg
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:18 am
by stalkor
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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i wish this would happen:P
$$Wcm29 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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i dont think it helps the cut here, white looks split up and black gained a full corner.
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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i start wondering now, is this a probe or actually an invasion...
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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there can be a ko with a throw in at b, but does he really want it right now? i have less threats because i have a weak group, but if i win the ko i virtually gain nothing since my wall faces his stones...
so i can't play this ko...yet
Re: 130. stalkor vs topazg
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:07 am
by topazg
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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? It would never have occurred to me to play like that... it looks like a hugely broken shape.
So maybe broken is nothing wrong, if you can fight.
), with a jump to 
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