I considered lots of moves:
I really want to cut 29 off from the 3rd line stone, but as far as I could tell all of the moves in between let black wall off half of his moyo. So, new plan: settle in this half, and then fight my way out of the other half. Plus, I'm not sure fuego will be able to get a good result in this corner if it plays like in the last one. One potential flaw in my plan, I'm not sure if that k3 stone changes the joseki here or not.
135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
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is definitely big, but I'm not sure if its worth letting white settle so easily. with plays like 
and 
, I think Fuego believes it is Takemiya 
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Bummer, I was hoping for the complicated thing that happens when black plays d3. Actually, this might be good for black, we'll see. I'm pretty sure I'm OK if black cuts at e3.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
Several times white has played a move that Fuego predicted - for example move 18 and move 21, but although Fuego then played its planned response, it changed its prediction for the continuation. Why is this so?
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
Every time Fuego evaluates a position, it redoes the tree. As it goes deeper in the tree, it applies less time to each node*. As a result, sometimes a continuation looks right because Fuego hasn't evaluated it very carefully. But once the actual move is on the board, Fuego can accurately look a little further into the future. In that regard, it's quite like a person's reading.
* I think it changes its method--the move selection gets dumber/faster deeper in the tree, though I could be wrong about that.
* I think it changes its method--the move selection gets dumber/faster deeper in the tree, though I could be wrong about that.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
@daal:
Basically what hyperpape said. As Fuego spends more time thinking about a position, additional playouts can cause other moves to appear better. Here's an explanation of search:
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 830#p69830
@snorri:
I asked the same question to the Fuego development list, here's the response:
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 939#p68939
One thing to keep in mind is that the developers are mostly interested in much shorter time limits, say 10 or 20 seconds per move. In that time frame, it's important for the search to narrow down quickly and make sure a move doesn't have a terrible consequence deeper in the tree.
If these don't make sense, ask me and I will try to explain in more depth.
Basically what hyperpape said. As Fuego spends more time thinking about a position, additional playouts can cause other moves to appear better. Here's an explanation of search:
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 830#p69830
@snorri:
I asked the same question to the Fuego development list, here's the response:
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 939#p68939
One thing to keep in mind is that the developers are mostly interested in much shorter time limits, say 10 or 20 seconds per move. In that time frame, it's important for the search to narrow down quickly and make sure a move doesn't have a terrible consequence deeper in the tree.
If these don't make sense, ask me and I will try to explain in more depth.
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I debated between this move and the hane (b2).
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
Man, that is not a tenuki I would have made as black.
I think black has to push from behind or play on the 2nd line. I was going to play up one point, but I don't like this:
I can't take the stone on the edge and protect my cutting point at the same time.
I think black has to push from behind or play on the 2nd line. I was going to play up one point, but I don't like this:
I can't take the stone on the edge and protect my cutting point at the same time.
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. I think Fuego may be in a tighter spot than it realizes...-
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
I wanted to double hane but it doesn't seem to quite work.
I'm fairly happy with the situation. I think fuego gave up a large local advantage with that tenuki. I plan to push along the 4th line here for a bit. Then I have to decide if b2 is big enough (probably not, but it looks so huge). I also have to figure out: reduce/destroy, or solidify? I think I will have sente after the next few moves. Do I defend in the upper right? Destroy black's moyo in the center-right? destroy black's area at the top? I'm not sure yet.
I'm fairly happy with the situation. I think fuego gave up a large local advantage with that tenuki. I plan to push along the 4th line here for a bit. Then I have to decide if b2 is big enough (probably not, but it looks so huge). I also have to figure out: reduce/destroy, or solidify? I think I will have sente after the next few moves. Do I defend in the upper right? Destroy black's moyo in the center-right? destroy black's area at the top? I'm not sure yet.
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Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot)
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. Here though 
has the threat to cut on either side of the P6 stone. If Black connects at "a" instead, the White hane at "b" becomes sente yose. Dave Sigaty
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