Red, a Go variant

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:44 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

The issue is that once opponent captures there is almost no way to prevent a lot of eyes for the opponent since the surrounding stones will all be the opponent's?

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:08 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . 7 5 6 . 8 . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 9 . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O 4 . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Deviate anywhere you want to.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:16 pm

I wouldn't have expected you to be such a libertine, Topazg.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:38 pm

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:17 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O 0 . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

I guess either Topazg is taking pity on me or I confused him with the suicidal tenuki :p

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:27 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O O . 5 . . . | $$ | . . X . . . O 4 3 1 . | $$ | . . O O . . . . O 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

The latter, sadly

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:34 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . X . . | $$ | . 7 X O O O . X . . . | $$ | . 6 X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . 8 O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Yeah, that one's weird because the killing move is strictly worse in normal Go.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X 9 . . X . . | $$ | . 7 X O O O . X . . . | $$ | . 6 X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . 8 O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:45 pm

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:59 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . X 0 . | $$ | . 7 X O O O . X . . . | $$ | . 6 X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . 8 O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

I count myself behind by a few points. What's worse is that it will be easier for black to make multiple single eyes. So I guess I'll try to see if there's any funny business due to red stones.

wessanenoctupus · Post by **wessanenoctupus** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:14 pm

hey guys, whats a pie rule? Also, I am going to comment on something Mark said in BGG here, Go is not innately a game of aggression. It can be a game of aggression, but in my humble opinion, playing go should be like properly doing Tai Ji, moving in such a way that if a butterfly lands on your arm, it should collapse (of course you could adjust your strength to the butterfly)...sorry If my metaphor sounds silly. And I will readily admit to not actually playing the way I just described.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:00 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_rule

I also agree with other players (though I don't remember which posts they were or if they are even on L19) that move pie rule feels rather awkward for Go. A komi auction/pie rule on komi feels cleaner, but it'll probably settle around 6.5 anyways so I don't think it'll be that useful.

I do really like the pieboxing variant though (both players alternatively choose black moves until one side decides to take white and try to live).

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:46 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . X O . | $$ | . X X O O O . X . 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Looks like he's worked it out, and is trying to pull it back. The problem is, red stones are a right pain in the posterior compared to normal go situations. Things where you'd normally have a squeeze going on no longer work:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . X 0 4 | $$ | . X X O O O . X . 1 3 | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X 2 | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O 5 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 6 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . X O O | $$ | . X X O O O . X . X X | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O C | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

White can't recapture, because there's nothing to capture, which means I get free eye space eaty moves.

Will be interesting to see how the board develops, I actually strongly suspect he's squeezing the other side, but I'm struggling to read danger:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 0 6 7 . | $$ | . . . X X X 2 4 X 0 9 | $$ | . X X O O O 3 X 5 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X 8 | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . O C X . | $$ | . . . X X X O O X . C | $$ | . X X O O O X X X X . | $$ | . O X 1 2 4 O O X X O | $$ | . O O O 3 . . 5 O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:10 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X 2 . X O . | $$ | . X X O O O . X . X . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:42 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ ------------------------- $$ | . . . . . X X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . X O O O O O | $$ | . . X . . X X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X X 2 4 X O . | $$ | . X X O O O 3 X 5 X . | $$ | . O X . . . O O X X . | $$ | . O O O . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -------------------------[/go]

Assuming you want to squeeze

This could be a very interesting shape ...

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