[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:57 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:59 am
by topazg
$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:17 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
One of my impressions on this game is that it isn't any harder to visualize outcomes in Redstone than in Go, but because I have a lot more experience with Go than this it's easy to overlook moves that work in this game but are ludicrous in Go (and also to play moves that work in Go but don't in Redstone). For example, if black plays at the point below he captures two stones, but it took me a while to see this because I wasn't expecting it.
$$Bcm1
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:28 am
by topazg
$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | 8 X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | 8 X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:37 am
by Bill Spight
Nice!
$$Bc Mutual capture
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bc Mutual capture
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
$$Bc Result
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . + . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bc Result
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . + . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Edit: Corrected error.
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:00 pm
by Bill Spight
Oops! Previous comment was wrong.
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:15 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Time to live(?) here.
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:14 pm
by topazg
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Bah humbug. Time to test a theory...
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O c . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O a O b X . . . . |
$$ | . X O d . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . 1 . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O c . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O a O b X . . . . |
$$ | . X O d . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
"a" is horrible for me, which I'm trying to fix with "b", so I can let him capture at "c" and play at "d" or something, but nothing really works. This really is a crazy game on captures. But that made me think (careful Graham!):
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 2 3 . |
$$ | . O O O 5 . . 1 6 X 4 |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 2 3 . |
$$ | . O O O 5 . . 1 6 X 4 |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
$$Wcm50 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . + 1 X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . X . X O |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Wcm50 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . + 1 X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . X . X O |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Stuff dies really really easily in this game ....
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:25 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Let's see this theory.
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:41 am
by topazg
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X 3 X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Here goes!
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:48 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:54 am
by topazg
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Bleh, cunning:
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 5 O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 7 X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 5 O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O . 6 7 X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:28 pm
by Dusk Eagle
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:34 pm
by topazg
$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 X O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 0 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------
[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . 8 X O 9 O . . |
$$ | . O O O 7 O . X X X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 0 . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]