World Mind Sport Games 2012

[oren]

- definition of "amateur player"

I'm going to go out on a limb and state anyone who is not deemed to be a profession of China, Japan, Korea, or Taiwan go organizations.

[Javaness2]

- definition of "amateur player"

I'm going to go out on a limb and state anyone who is not deemed to be a profession of China, Japan, Korea, or Taiwan go organizations.

Look at you! Riding the salty wave of reckless uncertainty and the bald headed eagle of presumptuousness!

[hyperpape]

- definition of "amateur player"

If you'd like, we could arrange for someone to tell you that you're prohibited from playing.

[RobertJasiek]

If you'd like, we could arrange for someone to tell you that you're prohibited from playing.

I am not asking for a lex Robert Jasiek but for a general definition. From "member of at least one professional player association" via "earning rather than losing money (alternatively: having most income) by attending go tournaments" to "earning at least some (alternatively: most) money from any kind of go-related activity" everything is possible and affects different groups of players.

The most stupid thing would be not to provide a definition, let players be nominated, then tell them during the event: "Sorry for having travel expenses, but you are not eligible because you misinterpreted 'amateur player'!".

[RobertJasiek]

It would seem idiotic to decide on the McMahon bar before you know who has entered the tournament?

It would have been brilliant to set the bar and other tournament system details before the national nominations could start so that potential participants can better decide whether they want to participate. Knowing / not knowing to be in the top bar makes a very great difference for players wishing to win a tournament.

An event putting itself in relation to the Olympics should set model standards rather than of late announcements. (I know, there have been financial troubles etc. But now there is no more excuse, and I hope that the tournament details will be announced soon.)

I expect they will use French Rules

Would be nice and provide a quality appropriate for the tournament.

all the minor details

Things like the seeding to a KO are not minor but are major details.

[hyperpape]

I am not asking for a lex Robert Jasiek but for a general definition. From "member of at least one professional player association" via "earning rather than losing money (alternatively: having most income) by attending go tournaments" to "earning at least some (alternatively: most) money from any kind of go-related activity" everything is possible and affects different groups of players.

Possible, I suppose. But only one of those definitions is realistic.

[Javaness2]

I don't understand how you can correctly guess what the bar should be in advance of the tournament starting (well, registration closing).

It would seem idiotic to decide on the McMahon bar before you know who has entered the tournament?

It would have been brilliant to set the bar and other tournament system details before the national nominations could start so that potential participants can better decide whether they want to participate. Knowing / not knowing to be in the top bar makes a very great difference for players wishing to win a tournament.

[RobertJasiek]

I don't understand how you can correctly guess what the bar should be in advance of the tournament starting

1) One can set (or can use previously set) general guidelines for that. Guidelines so that, after r rounds, necessarily the number of players with finally more MMS than the remaining field is at most x (better: exactly 4). (Let me again mention the advantage of a DYNAMIC number of rounds and / or a seeding of more and more of the 4 players after a dynamic number of rounds so that tiebreakers for the McMahon to KO seeding could be avoided entirely.)

2) In an olympics-like or WAGC-like tournament, it is also heavily (if not even mostly) a political decision. E.g., it can even make sense to select some of all participating 6d+ if the number of rounds is too small.

[Javaness2]

Somebody pointed this out to me, I thought that it might be of some interest http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille. ... tm#Entries
Take a look at the entry fee and contrast with that of Go

You can also see Draughts http://wmsgfmjd.org/?p=232#more-232

[RobertJasiek]

Oh, does Draughts have discrimination?

"[prizes of] 20.000 euro for man and 10.000 euro for women will be divided as follows: 4.000 (2.500 for women) [...]"

[Javaness2]

Oh, does Draughts have discrimination?

"[prizes of] 20.000 euro for man and 10.000 euro for women will be divided as follows: 4.000 (2.500 for women) [...]"

Robert, on the same basis Go has discrimination too.

I'm getting the impression that there won't be a Chess event.
Reading through the international poker fed's blog, seems possible that they won't be there either.
Not a positive sign...

[RobertJasiek]

on the same basis Go has discrimination too.

The same tournament with different prizes depending on sex? Which go tournaments do you mean?

[Javaness2]

Any professional Go tournaments?
Probably most amateur Go tournaments in Europe as well.
It's really a topic for another thread though

on the same basis Go has discrimination too.

The same tournament with different prizes depending on sex? Which go tournaments do you mean?

[RobertJasiek]

After having mentioned my professional activity as go author / publisher / teacher, I have just got this explanation from the WMSG organisers:

Professional go players are being meant. I am an "amateur". Catalin is "not an amateur".

So it seems that, for the WMSG 2012, the implied definition of "amateur" is "not being member of any professional go association".

However, I cannot be sure because I do not know if Catalin earns his living from prize moneys; this would still allow an alternative definition. Now, it is clear though that professional activity unrelated to professional membership / professional rank / living from prize money does not prevent participation of the WMSG 2012.

Accommodation expenses are prohibitive though... Is there any reasonably priced accommodation in Lille?

[Javaness2]

Accommodation expenses are prohibitive though... Is there any reasonably priced accommodation in Lille?

No.
Robert, as you are familiar with the events KPMC and WAGC, I find it silly that you email somebody to ask what amateur means.