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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:09 pm
by hailthorn011
Sorry for the lag! It's been that time of the year. I had to say this in my other game, too.
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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:14 pm
by tentano
No worries, around new year is hectic for most people.
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Hm.
Not the expected response.
I half-heartedly plan the following, but it looks so nice for me that I expect it doesn't go that way.
I really just want this to live in sente so I can play elsewhere.
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I'm pretty sure J7 is too adventurous without first pushing at P8.
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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:04 pm
by moyoaji
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cI'm not sure this result is as good as tentano thinks it is. Black is getting forth line territory everywhere, he's damaging the J4 stone, and his group is still not alive.
I think jumping to
directly would have been a better idea. Exchanging this move and
for
and
seems bad for white. It may strengthen him some, but it strengthens black much more.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 pm
by EdLee
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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:14 pm
by Loons
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm13 Captures- Given the circumstances, 22 because of a b c aji?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:22 am
by EdLee
Loons wrote: $$W
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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:39 pm
by Loons
EdLee wrote: Loons wrote: $$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WGiven the circumstances,
... ?
Is
also aji keshi ?
I felt like
was necessary to support white moving out. Somehow.
Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:06 pm
by skydyr
Loons wrote: EdLee wrote: Loons wrote: $$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WGiven the circumstances,
... ?
Is
also aji keshi ?
I felt like
was necessary to support white moving out. Somehow.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WI think this directly makes it harder for black to deal with the aji of both white stones at the same time. White's also liable to become extremely heavy, so I want to play something nice and loose that tries to stay a little lighter. It has a nice followup at A as well.
As I look longer, though, I'm starting to see the virtues of starting with B. Black built a moyo, white reduced it a bit, there's still aji, let's move on. Later, white can aim at C, and something near D would be o-o-yose.
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:18 pm
by EdLee
Loons, skydyr, 2 more candidates for W.
( Very little reading; lazy & tired. Also, White looks so unhappy
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Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:35 pm
by Loons
Emphasis white is not happy.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WBlack will answer 1 with 2. 3 is sente against the stones on the right, white's heavy group is no longer afraid, white hasn't out-and-out killed J4 yet. Because of 1, there's no sense of a cut at 'a'. Why are any alternatives better than this?
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:35 am
by EdLee
Loons wrote: $$W
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Is
good sente or bad ? Is
good sente or bad ?
Re: #247 tentano v. hailthorn
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:22 am
by Uberdude
To have any chance in this game, I feel white needs to stop playing dame in the centre and get some points and chances to fight using the weakness of the 5th line stone (black didn't need to be so greedy). If not 2 then white slide there is big and maybe we can use o3 (so centre peep probably aji keshi, maybe do it if black defends corner). Of course that push white played into the knight's move is awful.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WIf white can use this to get strong in the centre then later pincer black on the right at a/b, though black c basically links up (not if white has a).
directly would have been a better idea. Exchanging this move and 
for 
and 
seems bad for white. It may strengthen him some, but it strengthens black much more.
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) common bad habit.
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good sente or bad ?