Page 4 of 6
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:09 am
by daal
I was just curious as to what a full version might include because the help file mentions that the Goscorer is a simplified version. As for feedback, despite the primitive graphics, I like it alot. It is simple, easy to use, offers a nice hint mode and I prefer it over both the kombilo and Drago replay modes. The only time I don't use it when replaying games is when I want to try out variations, and for that I like CGoban best.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:40 pm
by kgsbaduk
daal wrote:Karaklis - I'd like to recommend Catching the Scent of Victory by O Rissei. I got it for myself for Christmas, and have enjoyed it immensely. In the book, O Rissei reviews 20 of his own games pointing out the stragegies he employs (largely meaning his thoughts on the fuseki), and his descriptions of critical moments, sometimes asking the reader what he would do in that situation. I found that this type of presentation made me want to replay the games.
I am sure that there are other comparable books, but in any case, I found it a good deal more fun to try to memorize a commented game than one that I more or less randomly pulled out of the database. It is quite interesting to recall O Rissei's thoughts while replaying the games, and memorizing did not at all seem like a frustrating task.
Also it's worth noting that all of the games happen to be on GoGoD, and one can replay them using the "simplified" Go Scorer program included on the GoGoD CD. BTW, is a full version of the program available?
already bought this book online. We will see few days later how it works to me. im 3dan kgs and i need fresh look at Go or gonna make suicide
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:29 pm
by karaklis
daal wrote:Karaklis - I'd like to recommend Catching the Scent of Victory by O Rissei.
...
I found it a good deal more fun to try to memorize a commented game than one that I more or less randomly pulled out of the database. It is quite interesting to recall O Rissei's thoughts while replaying the games, and memorizing did not at all seem like a frustrating task.
Thanks for the suggestion, daal. I will give it a try and get it next tournament (11 days to go). And I agree with you that memorizing a commented game is much better and more fun. Before I get that book, I'll start with Kageyama's "master piece" in the last chapter of his "lessons". Actually I don't like that book, but before I don't get anything out of it, I'll learn this well commented match. It must be good for something.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:11 pm
by rubin427
daal wrote: Catching the Scent of Victory by O Rissei.
Is there any interest in making a study group of this book? (which could be as informal as a thread for comments) Or do people prefer to do this kind of study independently?
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:11 am
by daal
rubin427 wrote:daal wrote: Catching the Scent of Victory by O Rissei.
Is there any interest in making a study group of this book? (which could be as informal as a thread for comments) Or do people prefer to do this kind of study independently?
Hm. A study group? I'm not so sure, because the book largely revolves around O Rissei's observations on what he sees as the critical points in the game, and I basically study the book by replaying the games and trying to absorb his thoughts.
On the other hand, I have found some of his ideas inspiring, particularly in the first section where he discusses his (to me unusual) opening moves and I imagine a discussion on some of these might be fruitful.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:58 am
by daal
Hm. Another idea: A sticky post with links to (commented) professional games that L19ers have taken an interest in and posted for one reason or another. This might be a good starting point for finding games to study/memorize. Something like this:
Shusaku - Yuza posted and commented by Redstick/Go Seigen:
viewtopic.php?p=45863#p45863Go Siegen - Kazuku posted and commented by John Fairbairn/Go Seigen:
viewtopic.php?p=45863#p45863Lee Sedol vs. Kong Jie posted and commented by Peter Hansmeier link (and how to google for an .sgf) from Kokomi:
viewtopic.php?p=30446#p30446 Kong Jie - Mok Jinseok "the shining move" posted by FakeDeath, two comments from Wang Lei
viewtopic.php?p=23118#p23118etc.
P.s., I searched on L19 for the ear reddening move, but the search engine thinks "reddening" is too common a word to search for.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:51 am
by hyperpape
Daal, you can create site specific google searches by adding "site:lifein19x19.com" to a search. I don't know how completely google has indexed the boards, though.
Ear reddening search:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ear+redd ... ent=safari
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:16 am
by karaklis
Yeah, sometimes the forum search show a strange behaviour. But you can find the
"ear reddening move" here as well. It can be found 12 times excluding repetitions.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:06 am
by kgsbaduk
So who is in Memorazing Games Mode ? Share your experienced
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:21 am
by daal
I'm currently memorizing games from
Catching Scent of Victory (my review) I find it's a rather stress-free way to study go. What I've been doing is replaying the games in Goscorer (see above)after reading about the game. I find it's particularly enjoyable and interesting when I have to guess because I can't remember the game move.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:12 pm
by xed_over
kgsbaduk wrote:So who is in Memorazing Games Mode ? Share your experienced
I like memorizing pro games. I find it easy to do, and fun to show off. And I feel I've learned a bit from it.
I've shared a lot about it in the past, but apparently all those posts are lost now.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:43 am
by karaklis
xed_over wrote:I like memorizing pro games. I find it easy to do, and fun to show off. And I feel I've learned a bit from it.
And has your play improved by learning pro games?
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:23 am
by xed_over
karaklis wrote:xed_over wrote:I like memorizing pro games. I find it easy to do, and fun to show off. And I feel I've learned a bit from it.
And has your play improved by learning pro games?
In the period of time I was doing it regularly, I gained about 4 to 5 stones. Its hard to say if that was the actual cause, but I was not doing a lot of other types of study at the time.
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:54 am
by kgsbaduk
Im in memorizing mode without play.
we will see if that legend is true abaout 6dan without playing can make just by memorizing
Re: Memorizing Games of Professionals
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:00 am
by entropi
kgsbaduk wrote:Im in memorizing mode without play.
we will see if that legend is true abaout 6dan without playing can make just by memorizing
Chess players also memorize grand masters games. They can never be 6 dan though.
I am curious about the source of that legend. Not that I would find time to memorize games if the source turns out to be reliable, but it would still be nice to know about a further improving possibility, which I may even find amusing.