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I think that last move may have been a mistake. He abandoned the joseki which lets me save these stones in semi-sente.
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Now the question is "do I need to respond?"
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My initial though is no. I can treat blocking at 'a'and running at 'b' as miai. After doing some reading, I have decided that this move is not sente. The aji of my weak stones on the bottom really help here, otherwise, I think B could seal me in.
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I feel like I play slow these days. Oh well.
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'a' is a little concerning, but I think there is enough openings in blacks shape to make a go of it.
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This way, I can protect the peep while threatening some biggish moves that might vut off B's stones on the left. I don't know if it is sente though. I might need to hold the followup in reserve. I am not sre what my next move will be if black responds locally. Maybe an approach at the top right?
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White is winning. I played some slow moves, while white played more efficiently:
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My moves aren't worthless, but they are not worth as much as his moves are here. Since he played on the left side, in theory, I should be able to punish him in the area that I played.

What I ended up with is a somewhat solid group without much profit.

Because of this, I want to "take revenge" and play here:
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He probably can't kill me on the bottom after all, and I should get profit.


But that's not very rational. I had some confidence going into this game however many months or years ago that we started, because I have a higher rank.

But objectively, looking at the stones, I need to admit that white got a better result in the last few moves.


I need to accept that and endure. He will make a mistake later on. I just have to find it. I shouldn't give him more of a chance to get ahead just because he's ahead by a little bit in the opening.
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I thought about doing the large knights move approach to discourage a pincer and help me build a moyo on the left, but ultimately recanted because I am not sure how to respond if B pincers anyway. These are some of the results I have considered:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
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$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Top seems bigger than the right.
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
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$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I am not very familiar with this joseki, so I was looking through Josekipedia. It says this move is good when I have the top right corner, and it just looks like a cool move. Black can do a lot of things here, so I will wait to do any in depth analysis until after Blacks next move.
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Unexpected.
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
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$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Honestly, I don't know how to answer that move. So I won't right now.

Should really start studying go again sometime...
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I hate this kind of tenuki. It makes the whole board position super important and I m not sure how to respond. I was hoping for something like this diagram. The theory was to make a bigger moyo on the left side, and with the approach, this looks unlikely. I think I need to 'punish' black for the tenuki and follow up locally. This seemed as good a way as any.
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X 2 1 . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O B . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X . . , O O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O . O . . X . O X O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, more than winning, I am just having fun. I know this kick is possible when M15 is not present, but it's not clear to me how it affects the situation.

Ideally, I make M15 redundant and less useful than L16.

Anyway, it looks interesting to me, so why not?
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