#263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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It's about time! I was getting bored. :lol:
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:It's about time! I was getting bored. :lol:

I was waiting for you to make the game exciting and you wouldn't so i did. :)
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Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

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obs:
let me guess his move....
I think he will go this route and
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X 6 X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

surprise!!!!!
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obs:
as i discussed before if he reverse the peeping order i can not retaliate.
Professionals sometime miss such delicate points (due to lack of concentration of course) i believe it was game between yoo changhyuk and Lin back in 1989 ish???
after studying that game i gotton in habbit of thinking about peeping order carefully.
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[go]$$Bcm1c
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$$ | . . . X . O a . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 4 O 2 O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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"Nobody wants to see me die, but they don't wanna miss it if I do."
- Evel Knievel

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[go]$$Wcm11c
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . 8 7 . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . 1 . 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 2 . 4 . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Observers
Hmmm...I expected the other cut. :scratch:

It is almost midnight here so I am going to post the move now and comments later.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 7 . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . 1 . 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . 2 . 4 . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this is kind of move you dont need to think... only one way to answer. black digging holes deeper
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:Hmmm...I expected the other cut. :scratch:
Seems odd.
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OBS:
Let's talk about his last marked exchange below.
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had weakness on that group and he let me fix it in sente.
His intension is to use that exchanged stone to secure life i think.

Let's study chinese character!!!
I summerize this situation as '生 不 如 死'
生 = life
不 = not
如 = equals ? or is?? or conneting two letter??? <---I am not sure beause i am not chinese.
死 = death

above phrase can be translated into:
living is same as dying or dying is better than living.

My opponent tried to save his garbage stones and made terrorable exchange
and committed himself into saving the group (two stone = target)
It is like calling half of your pot with one low pair in holdem poker.
Terrorable thing about go is that it is different from holdem.
your future does not depend on luck but in mercy of your opponent's mistake.

My outlook or wishes:
He probably can save his stones in gote but will hurt other stones around and help me connect my weak stones which will worth more than his group' life. (only a guess. i am not sure what variation he will take)
I will make sure to provide him with life. <----very different than kyu player's way of thinking
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Magicwand:
生不如死
Perhaps Fate worse than death --
or maybe there are even better interpretations.
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obs:
Since my opponents is not playing i keep looking at the board position and try to find some ways black can makeup for his mistakes.
and i found intresting sequence b can win.
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 6 W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 B O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if this is what he has in mind..it looks bad for white.

even worse for below...
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[go]$$Bcm1c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 4 W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


maybe i am thinking too much...
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
trigger gives me advantage of knowing his next move.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't understand this. I made a move that was aji keshi in his favor ( allowing him to connect two stones in his string of tobis ) just so I could protect against a future cut at D8.
Instead of making the honte move at D6, he replies with a move that is aji keshi for me! ( Now D3 is covered when he pushes through at E4 ) :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X x 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now the threat of him invading my lower side is dramatically reduced. And I still can push thorough at D5:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Perhaps he sees some advantage later when his 6th rank stones may have to stay connected, and he can form an unbreakable bamboo joint at G5 to ensure that they escape eastward.

I just do not see any advantage to him playing it this way.
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$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
4 and 5 miai he probably let me have 5 and he will go 4.
after 5, a invasion is poinful for black. and bottom white group shape is settled somewhat...
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 2 . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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i would be satsfied with bottom variation
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$$ | . . . X O 9 X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 3 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X O O B . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O 1 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 6 2 X 4 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O 3 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O B . . B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 2 . X 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


so he might
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . X O . X . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 3 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X 4 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

still good for white..
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The greater the unknown"

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