Life In 19x19

kimidori wrote:Ke Jie just beat Park Junghwan in the 2nd game of CCTV Cup and will meet Iyama again in the final.

Don't you mean Chinese New Year invitational?
As for the game, I only had a quick look but it didn't feel so bad for Ke to me, and when Park allowed Ke to make a ponnuki (just a few moves into the right side invasion) and tried to kill it that seemed rather unlikely to succeed, though of course the following sabaki from Ke was very nice. I suppose the crux of the matter is if (or how much of) the right side is solid territory following the centre fighting and you can't really estimate the score with such a big and difficult question still hanging. Ke Jie said it wasn't and Park couldn't prove him wrong.

Don't you mean Chinese New Year invitational?

Yes, it was sponsored by CCTV, sorry for the confusion. I mean before the invasion, it seems that B can spend 1 more move to defense the moyo, and still ahead in points. But it's true that B group in the center was still weak, and perhaps Ke Jie would attack it severely should Park defended.

kimidori wrote:I mean before the invasion, it seems that B can spend 1 more move to defense the moyo, and still ahead in points. But it's true that B group in the center was still weak, and perhaps Ke Jie would attack it severely should Park defended.

Hmmmm, let's say black plays the iron pillar on the right side where Ke invaded for move 81. Now the right side should be solid points, but the top right 3-3 is still open. White could then atari and kosumi wedge and cut off the centre tail 4 stones, could black get enough compensation on attacking the bottom side. Or maybe white would wedge the one point jump after atari?

Is the final game tomorrow, or is there a rest day?

No rest day, game starts January 31 at 15:00 KST:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1 ... January+31

White could then atari and kosumi wedge and cut off the centre tail 4 stones, could black get enough compensation on attacking the bottom side

Yes, it seems that if W can cut these 2 stones, he will have enough to win, I thought B has a chance to save it, but it's true that W potential in the center is very strong. The bottom side is big, but unless B can capture the 3 stones at J3, or destroy all W's potential on the bottom left, he will probably be in short of territory.

Despite his ill health, Ke Jie has won against Iyama by resignation in the final of Chinese New Year Invitational.

Go4Go database add his won against Shi Yue and Liao Yuanhe yesterday, but from which event?

pookpooi wrote:Go4Go database add his won against Shi Yue and Liao Yuanhe yesterday, but from which event?

Maybe it was updated later, but Go4Go did say that these games were from 16th Chinese Southwest Qiwang, round 1 (vs Liao Yuanhe) and round 2 (Shi Yue)

Ke Jie lost a bunch of games recently, not looking like on good form going into the AlphaGo match .

Lee Sedol also lost to Ke Jie prior to AlphaGo match, leading to Ke Jie saying 'I beat Lee Sedol, why I don't get to play with AlphaGo' (or something like that)

Uberdude wrote:Ke Jie lost a bunch of games recently, not looking like on good form going into the AlphaGo match .

Statistics, he can't go forever with the losing streak.

Krama wrote:

Uberdude wrote:Ke Jie lost a bunch of games recently, not looking like on good form going into the AlphaGo match .

Statistics, he can't go forever with the losing streak.

Do you mean the "law of averages" which says if you flip a coin and get a load of tails in a row you are more likely to get a heads next because you are 'due' one to get the average back to 50%? Because that's a common misconception that appeals to untrained humans' poor intuition for probability. If the events are independent (as coin flips are) then having had a load of tails doesn't make a heads more likely. And for go games where psychology and form come into play they won't be independent.

Also Ke Jie hasn't been on a losing streak, just recently he's had 3 wins and 3 losses which is poor for him (and some loses were to not so top players). So yes of course he will win games, the question is will his form recover to 80% win rate or whatever it was against top pros when he was on fire.

I could see him treating the domestic league as a place to experiment some of his moves. His play at the Xin'ao Cup has been fine, and he's still on track for his 5th world title.

xiayun wrote:I could see him treating the domestic league as a place to experiment some of his moves. His play at the Xin'ao Cup has been fine, and he's still on track for his 5th world title.

His Xinao game today vs Li Zhe (which he won) was pretty experimental too!. The sliding too far into a 4-4 'trick' that I think Ichiriki played in a big match but I hadn't seen used by top Chinese players yet, and another early 3-3. Li also player Master-style with the attachment into a micro-Chinese as in Master game #1. See http://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.ph ... 41#p219141.