Life In 19x19

anyone got a spare hat to eat or talk through?

hats off to the PorkyPie guys who know a good Bernays story to get the chattering classes chattering

no tree search... ho ho ho... sometimes people can't see the forest for the spin-fluff. [correction: delete 'sometimes' insert 'always' eg Persil washes whiter, Coca-Cola refreshes you, Bay of Pigs, Bay of Tonkin, Baywatch, government by the people, in God we trust, etc].

check out the esteemed opinions of L19 experts this time last year - about as reliable as a pre-Brexit poll.

so far Swim is the only bot to have bettered the dog, and with < 1 googleplexth of the dosh too

Uberdude wrote:It's important to note that saying this new version of AlphaGo doesn't do Monte Carlo Tree Search is not the same as saying it doesn't do tree search

The way I read it, it was just that, no real read-ahead but just:
1. Policy net to generate some good candidate moves.
2. Value net to select the one leading to most favorable position after the next-move.

I know I shouldn't bite, but here goes...

djhbrown wrote:so far Swim is the only bot to have bettered the dog, and with < 1 googleplexth of the dosh too

Swim is not a bot: it is the beginnings of a design for a bot with a lot of implementation details outstanding. If by "bettered the dog" you mean provided a post-hoc rationalisation of the correct answer to Lee Sedol's wedge in game 4 then you are wrong: Leela plays the correct move too for example (and without a human operator who already knows the correct answer to guide it). Leela is a bot which actually exists because it has been coded and can run on its own without a human operating filling in the gaps. And is just a one-man-band too so a lot cheaper than AlphaGo.

Uberdude wrote: here goes...a post-hoc rationalisation .. Leela plays the correct move too

man bites dog, except Swim isn't a dog, she's a lion. J13...L10 was pre-hoc, not post-hoc. Leela plays L10 too? If true, that's interesting - it suggests maybe the dog out-thunk itself, and could do so again...

Oh, the excitement, the tension! Will Jie, won't he, will he, won't he, won't you join the dance? That must be worth something, porky?

I missed some post somewhere, maybe, but what is the connection between "AlphaGo", "alphadog", and this entity we are referring to as "dog"?

Are these all references to AlphaGo? If so, why?

djhbrown wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/4aibtg/ke_jie_said_alphago_is_a_dog_and_this_dog_is_not/

Thanks, it makes sense now

Totally off-topic therefore hidden.

Bonobo wrote:Totally off-topic therefore hidden.

The joyful, loving, eternally forgiving nature of dogs.jpg

Ha, food for thought...

(Via Vincent Lejeune’s post on FB, thank you!)
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Uhm, the blank space above is this: Could it be that our YouTube tags still rely on http instead of on https? “Or something”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs1sFJ94rAU
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I actually posted that on Reddit before but decided not to post here because L19 doesn't support YouTube embed.
Or maybe it's supported but intentionally disabled by webmaster.

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Uhm, the blank space above is this:

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[youtube]Fs1sFJ94rAU[/youtube]

Could it be that our YouTube tags still rely on http instead of on https? “Or something”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs1sFJ94rAU
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Thanks. I fixed this, so your post shows the video, now.

Never mind the quality truth, feel the spin-width

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i stink, therefore i glam

I see that there's going to be a stream at the DeepMind site, but will there be any live commentaries? I think I'm too tired tonight, but I'll probably end up staying up to watch the beginning in spite of that.

hyperpape wrote:I see that there's going to be a stream at the DeepMind site, but will there be any live commentaries? I think I'm too tired tonight, but I'll probably end up staying up to watch the beginning in spite of that.

Michael Redmond and Stephanie Yin are commenting at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HL5nppBnM, which I think is the same as the DeepMind stream.