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Re: Reviewing Lee Sedol's commented games with KataGo
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:19 pm
by CDavis7M
Speaking of discrepancies between Pro commentary and AI, I looked up one of my favorite plays with KataGo.
Unnamed Pro (Shusai?): "Incomprehensible - a
4-dan idea"
KataGo: "Meh, -0.2% (but not 'a' +0.5%)"
Me: "I hope to have a 4-dan idea someday."
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Re: Reviewing Lee Sedol's commented games with KataGo
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:19 am
by kvasir
CDavis7M wrote:Speaking of discrepancies between Pro commentary and AI, I looked up one of my favorite plays with KataGo.
Unnamed Pro (Shusai?): "Incomprehensible - a 4-dan idea"
KataGo: "Meh, -0.2% (but not 'a' +0.5%)"
Me: "I hope to have a 4-dan idea someday."
Honestly to myself "a" looks like overthinking but KataGo likes this way with enough playouts. It is normal to try to go out when you are about to be sealed in and I think most players should follow such instincts (play the game move) most of the time and that will help more with improving than trying to come up with a fancy move. Granted that you may play a normal looking move and realize later that it was a mistake, that will lose games but it is also an opportunity to learn.
If you think about it the game move creates some problems by giving black outside influence facing the enclosure. White will have to reduce and can we be sure white has enough...to me it seems like overthinking it if you consider all of this and then conclude that white can't play like that
This doesn't have anything to do with the Lee Sedol commented games per-se but it goes to show that KataGo and pro commentaries can equally be useless because they can agree not to play normal moves without obvious reasons. On the other hand if you have played the game move countless times it will be interesting that there are other good moves.