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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 1:57 pm
by Numsgil
Pogo: let's see some diagrams and such for your reading, yeah? Kind of defeats the purpose of a Malkovich game if we don't see what you're thinking.
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:01 pm
by dfan
Numsgil wrote: Pogo: let's see some diagrams and such for your reading, yeah? Kind of defeats the purpose of a Malkovich game if we don't see what you're thinking.
Safe for POGO:
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:16 am
by topazg
My sealed move
$$Bc
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:00 am
by mic
Late reply, but a lot of possible action going on in the corner
$$Bc
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These are the variations I thought of:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcI discarded e and f quite fast, because in all read variations they make black's corner clumpsy and achieve nothing for black. c looks as if it does not work, e.g. I think about something like, which is bad for black
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcSo, let's take a look at the remaining variations: a is sente for me, due to the thread of
. In the end, we split the corner.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcVariant b is sente, too and I look a bit thicker in case of invasions around a.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThen there is d, which gives sente but leaves a lot of ko threats:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcSo in the end I play b to be sold and hope that my thinkings about sente are correct
It's a pity that I had to give up a bit of the corner, but ignoring Q14 and my high approach of O16 has to be punished a bit.
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:18 am
by topazg
To mic:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcOut of interest, why didn't you consider "x"?
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:23 am
by mic
To topazg:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcOut of interest, why didn't you consider "x"?
Hmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:27 am
by topazg
To mic:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcHmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting
Fair enough
To help spot it - it's the key shape point for the marked White stones (tiger's mouth is often a key shape to prevent), and it's extending a crosscut stone. Both of these are fundamental enough to give sensible points to read from, and both are easy to remember
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:50 am
by schultz
topazg wrote: To mic:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcHmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting
Fair enough
To help spot it - it's the key shape point for the marked White stones (tiger's mouth is often a key shape to prevent), and it's extending a crosscut stone. Both of these are fundamental enough to give sensible points to read from, and both are easy to remember
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:44 am
by POGO
$$Bc
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First off i did not like this
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcand this is what i am expecting now
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcor i could simply
$$Bc
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:14 am
by mic
$$Wc
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$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcI thought about moves at a, b, c and f. Altough c could become sente in a later stage it seems a bit small since so many bigger areas on the board are open. b would have the purpose to get some territory but leaves the e17 group a bit unsupported. With a I can build some influence but it invites white to play at M16 where my groups are a bit weak. So in the end I decided to play f to get influence and loosely connect to O16 (altough I'm still not sure if b wouldn't be better/more secure). If white plays around d I still have the backup option of e to live in the corner.
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:00 pm
by POGO
$$Wc
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$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcSo first i though about a. taking a corner? not to bad but there is bigger.
b? the reduction is nice. but if he simply plays right above it. well its over.
c im going for the right in a whole. but dont want to give him the bottom to. he will probably 3x3.
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcd to passive.
e isnt to bad.begins a moyo. stops him for getting out around there. but. the tengen can stop that fast enough as his bottom and top are not surrounded
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:20 pm
by Numsgil
mic wrote: $$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcNot for players:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcI would take this opportunity to make this forcing move. White almost certainly will respond like this, so black keeps sente. (If white doesn't respond, black can take the two white stones in gote and take the entire corner. I'm not sure of the exact value, but corner moves like this are always deceptively large. Maybe something like 6 points (it's hard because white has a sente end game move here that can take most of the points gained from this away).
It's gote for white to take that point instead of black, so it probably doesn't have to be done right this very minute, but I think it should be a priority move.
Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:27 am
by unkx80
For Numsgil:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcAt this stage of the game, I prefer this
.
a is merely big endgame.
Re: 25. mic (9k) vs. POGO (10k)
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:52 pm
by mic
Hi Pogo,
Just to say I have not forgot this game. I am looking at this position casually for a few days now but have no idea where to play
Will at the latest answer on tuesday!
Cheers,
Mic
Re: 25. mic (9k) vs. POGO (10k)
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:00 am
by mic
Hi, sorry for the delay. I'm now going to have more time, so hopefully we'll get into a flow.
$$Bc
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I'm looking at the following options: Ok, funny thing, this became the only option, just the continuations vary:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bca $$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc...and so on gives white way too much influence.
But with
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcBlack builds up influence and encloses the D4 stone in (a bit), which purpose what influence.
. In the end, we split the corner.
. a is merely big endgame.