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102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

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Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:32 pm
by cloud
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There is no other option.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:18 pm
by Shaddy
No.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O 6 . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:07 am
by cloud
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure why I'm the only one leaving comments... oh well. His move never even occured to me, which is good because it means we have different styles :D . Because of that I'll probably refrain from triggered sequences unless it's super obvious.

Anyways, his move secures the bottom (which is very big), but it also redirects the battle to the top. Since I have more stones at the top, I'm perfectly fine fighting there. At this point I need to get enough out of this battle to compensate for black's territory on the bottom. Also, I'll be looking for any chance I can to follow up on the left side with C7 or C8.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:11 am
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Wcm30 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To explain the previous stuff: I found it intolerable to allow W to connect all his stones up and leave me with a bunch of floating stones. This way, I can attack white.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:07 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
when i observe the game i usually can feel who is the stronger of the two.
in this game shaddy has stronger reading than cloud.
i think shaddy can give him two stone handy.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:32 am
by cloud
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$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's see what happens

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:01 am
by Magicwand
obs only:
there is two white group and they are both weak.
one will die for sure.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 1 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
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$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:20 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:31 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:41 pm
by topazg
@magic

I agree, things look grim for White. Is this not stronger resistance though?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The corner group should live now right? It feels like the other one at least has a fighting chance to escape still this way...

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:58 pm
by Magicwand
topagz:
black have no hope on this variation
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[go]$$Wcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 6 . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:51 am
by topazg
@magic:

Does White have any chance at saving both groups with your variation?

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:56 am
by Magicwand
topazg wrote:@magic:

Does White have any chance at saving both groups with your variation?


probably will live.
but that is not how you should play go.
even if you live it will be gote and give whole lots of influence to black. (if black plays pro level)

many times sdks think "ok...if i live there then my opponent will be short of point"
and strach thin with only two eye and giving opponet influence in sente.
that is not right flow.

also..my variation black has aji in the corner also.

therefore white is in bad shape.

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:14 am
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:30 pm
by cloud
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 4 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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