[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . Y , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . b . Y 9 . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 0 . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This shape leaves some weakness at (a). If he jumps at (b) I really feel I shouldn't tenuki but play at (a) myself otherwise this group is very weak and almost surrounded. Whereas if this group is strong I may be able to try to orchestrate a splitting attacking later between the two marked groups.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:13 am
by Chew Terr
cdybeijing wrote:There are many lurkers guys, lurkers...
Seconded. I've been enjoying this game quite a bit lately, just don't necessarily feel confident enough to say anything or don't have anything more interesting than the actual moves to suggest, so I'm sitting back with popcorn. =)
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:24 am
by mw42
Chew Terr wrote:
cdybeijing wrote:There are many lurkers guys, lurkers...
Seconded. I've been enjoying this game quite a bit lately, just don't necessarily feel confident enough to say anything or don't have anything more interesting than the actual moves to suggest, so I'm sitting back with popcorn. =)
I'm glad you guys are enjoying it!
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:11 am
by Marcus
Another lurker chiming in. No questions yet.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:22 am
by mw42
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O b . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X 9 . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 0 . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 8 . C . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What are ya'all's thoughts on this? Would something like this be too aggressive here? I would have strongly considered it, in white's shoes, though the game move feels more normal.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:48 am
by Puppycakes
$$Wcm48 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 . X 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 3 . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm48 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 . X 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 3 . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Part of me thinks that I could tenuki with a clean conscience because then my move would feel like a decent reduction, but the point of my move was to split up the side and that is what I'd like to do.
I wonder if he would have kicked my stone if I had played a line lower.
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O 2 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . b . 1 . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was thinking where I wanted to play next, but then I remembered I said I'd bend if he jumped. This secures a large corner, but more than that it makes my corner group alive. If he decided to make life in the corner (which he could) then I might suddenly find myself with two weak groups. He still has a fight he could start at (a). If I am able to secure that group at some point, the cap at (b) is interesting (because of the bend, mind you). Also, the (c) area still seems very large so some light plays inside may create a significant reduction.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:39 pm
by Abydos1
Every time I look at this game I keep wanting to think the whole bottom is one line lower.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:43 pm
by mw42
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Abydos1 wrote:Every time I look at this game I keep wanting to think the whole bottom is one line lower.
That's odd...
EDIT: Removed the diagram to prevent confusion in the future.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:50 pm
by Abydos1
mw42 wrote:
$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O 2 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O 3 . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My mind is dreaming up a bunch of ridiculous beauty. I don't know if it's possible at all, but all of these places on the board look like places I'd like to play that he is at least somewhat likely to respond to:
$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O a . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . a . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O a . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . a . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
You know, I'm kind of ok with him strengthening himself in gote on that side and I think that if I strengthen myself elsewhere, My attack on his group later would be more severe, so that's why I tenuki'd.
That and I'm taking some big points that I wanted anyway that have big follow-ups if he ignores them, so we'll just have to see what happens.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:32 am
by mw42
$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . 4 O X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm55 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X 2 1 O X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O 3 X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X 4 O O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I really wanted to tenuki here, but is sente and my corner group is really pathetic whereas his group on the side is alive. By responding. I keep this group weak so I leave open the possibility of attack later.
Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:33 am
by Puppycakes
$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . 5 . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . 5 . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was probably going to play this high if he undercut me with his last move, but he didn't, so I figured that this helps with some points along the bottom edge and does help stabilize my group. I think that it also indirectly helps strengthen my other group. I like having stable groups right now. His still isn't perfectly stable either on the right there still.
I'm still eyeing a as a possible place to play. It would do a lot to expand my moyo even further. Also, we're starting to approach endgame.
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is sente and my corner group is really pathetic whereas his group on the side is alive. By responding. I keep this group weak so I leave open the possibility of attack later.