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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:09 pm
by hyperpape
This is an unusual level of praise for his opponent coming from Magicwand.

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:11 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Another weird move. I'm not sure what he's going for. Also I've been rethinking the sequence at the top. I might have a way out :P

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:20 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this game is getting more complicated on every move :)

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:28 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Umm...huh? There's like nothing to think about here. If he saves his side I push through his group into the center, if he blocks me from the center I take the whole side.

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:30 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:36 pm
by yithril
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In case anyone is wondering...
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X 1 2 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Umm...kthxdie?

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:52 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

to kirby : changed my mind again.. :D

i am behind in points but i am satisfied that i got sente and thickness.
cut i mentioned earlier is messy and overplay.
i think building more thickness will be enough for me to maintain the balance.

i wonder how my opponent feels about current situation???

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:05 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So what do obs think of the game so far?

Another one out of left field. He's got this really awful cut at A so in the future I hope to make use of it. Defending the cut or playing like a peep under my corner enclosure would make more sense, even making a base on the upper side with a two/three space jump. I'm supposing he'll cross cut and then I take a lot more territory at the top and he gets thickness. Let's hope it's gote thickness so I can play B.

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[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . b , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:11 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:02 pm
by yithril
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 9 . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might be cutting sooner than expected if this keeps up.

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:44 pm
by perceval
:salute:
very interesting game and i love the explanations.

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:26 am
by EdLee
hyperpape,
hyperpape wrote:This is an unusual level of praise for his opponent coming from Magicwand.
It takes level to see level.

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:47 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit: comment added for obs
this is what i expect. IMO white is limiting black effectively and maintaining the balance.
my approach somewhat protect the cut at "a". (expect a-b-c-d)
i think it would be an overplay to cut now.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c a O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . d . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 2 . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:55 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
my assessment sofar:
assuming next two move will be as below...
i am satisfied at this point.
i think my influence in the middle worth more than points i gave up on right.
my influence well agree with two starpoint on left.
black has two corner that is open to invasion.
i dont see any more good development on black so he must jump into my influence sometime.
my weakness at "a" is well covered by my high approach so i dont really worry about that.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . W W X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O . O X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
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my philosophy on go:
lee sehdol is currently the strongest player in the world.
moves he select in his game is manytimes considered overplay and unorthadox.
but his opponent usually can not find a way to beat him.

game of go is far more complicated to judge that certain move is correct move.
my playing style may be unorthadox and seems like an overplay..but in my opinion it is one of the playing style.
and from previous games i heard that many people enjoy watching my game. thank you for enjoying.

my advice to the beginners:
free your mind from josekies and what others say correct.

Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:39 am
by emeraldemon
I'm a more territory oriented player, but I have to say I prefer Yithril in this position. I think black's cut will make it hard to use the wall white built. But of course both these guys could give me 5 stones, so I probably can't even see what they see.