Life In 19x19

The fight seems tough :

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Not good too (I reluctantly consider this variation anyway, since at move 29, W put himself in a bad shape) :

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[go]$$Wcm28
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The first idea was to limit B influence, so, even if I find it a little submissive, I take the outside, and will certainly suffer a loss (but I do think B moyo limitation is worth it) :

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Okay, I could gave played an hanging connection, but that would allow him a good peep (this sentence can be vary bad translated in french) !

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Now, he will either cut at a, atari at b, or extend at c :

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Here are the moves I consider :
a : a dual purpose move : it widens my framework at the bottom, and threatens an invasion. I don't remember if I mentionned it before, but it's a move I consider since before plays on the right edge. I didn't play it before because B's normal reaction would be a tobi, that would have reinforced more his moyo on the right.

But now, because of marked stones, B's prospects in this area are way smaller, so I think it's the good time to play it.

b would be natural too, but it accomplishes less (only streghtens top moyo)

c I think is bad : it'll be "playing on dame"

d is appealing, because B's stones are still weak (if I'm not mistaken, they doesn't even have a base yet), but they'd probably flee towards the bottom, which is the most open area of the board.

e is big, but gote.

I'll think about this position a little more, but I really think I'll play a.

As already said. I choose the high approac because if I played a low one, he could cap me, and that could help his stones on the left edge.

mm i want to tenuki so badly to play at a b c d e .... BUT i am afraid of that which would pincer my middle stone; i considered leaning 1 to the left BU then he can cut the keima and the ladder doesnt work because of O9.
So i answer again... on the other hand this move as territorial signification

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I think it's still sente. I plan to make soon a gote move, either to reinforce the top or the left edge.

i really really want to cut at O11 or near but cant make it work .
i will almost certainly NOT answer around N4 i have been pushed around to much already.

maybe an overplay but i play to learn after all.
This is the move i wanted to play from the start but i had trouble to make it work. Not sure it really works now in fact

i want to cut and attack his stones
N4 was way to passive
and reducion on the top was temptinmg too but mabe i i harass his grioup i will be in position to invade stronger.
on the other hand a shallow reduction of the top might led to a reinforcemtn of him preventing me to attack his stones

current plan is as follow:

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this works because there is ladder on M12.
b is sad but necessary (unless a is possible ...), at least this is a big gote and not only a connection.

Then i dont really expect to catch his stones but i expect to build thickness facing the top for a better reduction.
The hope (really "hope go" at play here )is that this will help my right stones and not hurt them)
i did read 10 move deep but it is very narrow reading..
i also considered the double hane:

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[go]$$Bcm35 @a or b
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i am countign alot on the fact hat he has to play , that way.
Here i hope (again )i will have a couple forcing moves against his group and that ,:b46: will be useful agains the top (more so than his strengthen w group)


in the end i mainly played what i wanted to play after convincing myself its playable
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Interesting. I'd like to reinforce the bottom stones in sente, because has some intersting features, on the two black stones in the middle bottom and the two in the corner.

I don't mind sacrificing stones in the Q13-R12 area : thoses stones were meant to contain black influence, they played their role.

as planned, i have huge doubts about this move but want to try it.
forgot to mention another obviosu reponse here in my prev post:
the atari

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i can't really judge this exchange but i hope that i will benefit from having an access to the center more than W benefits form having his group strengthen (i can capture by playing a OR extend into the center

More comments later (I'm not at home and can't manage to keep the computer long enough to write) but it seems the fight is playable (onr weak group against two).

if there is an alternative i don't see it.