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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:20 am
by Loons
$$Wcm22
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:39 am
by EdLee
First feeling is pincer, and there are many variations:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WOr, the basic (boring?) joseki, aiming at (a) or (b)(?)...
$$W
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:18 am
by EdLee
Loons, I'm still here.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:47 pm
by Loons
No worries, I am more than happy with the game's pace.
Thoughts.
$$Bm23
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm23Searching for analogous pro games, it seems my predicted 'a' and also 'b' (a move I mostly know in context of high Chinese) are common ideas. Based on the joseki result, I will either play a checking extension on top (very big) or finally push at N4 (leaving that contact play hanging drives me a bit nuts).
$$Bcm23
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm23Problem here is,
is not sente (locally anyway). I imagine white would then complete his double wing (nicely reinforcing D16 and C6- forestalling that is why my game move feels very natural). Next... Black extends on top? With white's territory advantage, he can continue steadily. F10 cap or some other limiting/moyo play ? Could have been an interesting game maybe.
$$Wcm30 Some indeterminate time in the future
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm30 Some indeterminate time in the futureNot sure about any of these moves - I'm trying to show my concern that if white gets N4, he will be able to bully my isolated stones a bit later. At the same time, this doesn't seem
super urgent (I think). (instead of
, could try connecting P4 (sente against cut?) and then double-hane-ing, hmm.
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:10 pm
by EdLee
Loons, thanks. The aforementioned crazy summer kicked in a while ago.
I'm just waiting for a
few hours when my brain is fresh.
Requires patience for me, too!
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:32 am
by EdLee
will be mood as much as anything else. Other ideas:
Var 1: Peaceful, but B may not play
but take (a) instead.
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WVar 2:
, etc. seems to work well with B's right side.
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WVar 3: A fight starts immediately.
$$W
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:37 am
by EdLee
$$Wm24
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm24Trigger:
(p)
Not a good choice, because after
, W is missing a move at (a):
$$Wm24
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm24Better; W can tenuki after
:
$$W
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:41 am
by EdLee
I decided I'm OK with the overall shape of
.
Since the lower left, bottom, and lower right are (mostly) settled,
the focus is obviously on the upper half of the board.
In particular, I must keep an eye on the right side
to ensure it does not become a monster.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:40 am
by Loons
I want to be completely sure of my next couple decisions before checking your trigger
Let it just be said that I hate the following joseki with a passion, for both sides:
$$Bm25
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm25I know what I'm betting he's triggered.
I've never played
@
in my life, I will look into it a bit (experimental game for me, wot). 3-3 invasion directly is 98% out, as is tenuki (contact). I have a sinking feeling that this (shown) joseki is getting played. (The 'old faithful' joseki here seems good for me at first impression, because his bottom left might become a little vulnerable.) Decisions, decisions.
*NB I chose my bet because the universe is powered by irony. I suspect equally that he has 'old faithful' triggered, which is what I am evidently calling the attach-extend joseki.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:19 pm
by Loons
Haha, sorry I'm taking so long on this move.
Somehow I'm unhappy with this. Researching alternatives.
$$Wcm24 Diagram 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24 Diagram 1 is in a nice place.
Ironically, I think I'm happy with this.
$$Wcm24 Diagram 2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24 Diagram 2Though maybe settling on the left (29 at a or b (or
maybe 31 at c-ish or a) may be still better because bottom is still undetermined.
Variations on diagram 1:
$$Wcm24
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24Addresses top left, if it is really the biggest thing, but white's new thickness has good direction with the marked stone.
$$Wcm24
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24Not familiar with this, which is annoying because it seems important to my decision making here...!
I don't want to overthink, but I don't want to underthink either! :s
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:10 pm
by EdLee
No problem, Loons. Take your time.
Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:33 pm
by Loons
$$Wcm24
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...Back to liking diagram 1. Admittedly, the onus is now on me to reduce, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Besides, I half-remember a reduction I want to try. Checking the trigger feels like opening Christmas presents
.
$$Wcm24
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm24...Accepted!
$$Wcm30
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm30This is what I'm half remembering. I wonder if I can find where from... 32 might have been a cap instead though... More thinking
I also want to try and take charge of bottom left (...somehow).
$$Bcm37 (At some point not too in the future)
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:02 pm
by EdLee
(For beginners.) Loons'
extension was something I could not predict for him, so it was not in the trigger.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:23 am
by EdLee
First feeling:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WIf the board was as follows, my first feeling would likely still be the same:
$$W
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:29 am
by Laman
white R12 looks premature to me. black blocks the corner and white lacks an obvious continuation
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1i would most likely play O17, in the biggest empty space, and then start thinking about an invasion on the right
$$Wcm1
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is not sente (locally anyway). I imagine white would then complete his double wing (nicely reinforcing D16 and C6- forestalling that is why my game move feels very natural). Next... Black extends on top? With white's territory advantage, he can continue steadily. F10 cap or some other limiting/moyo play ? Could have been an interesting game maybe.
, could try connecting P4 (sente against cut?) and then double-hane-ing, hmm.
will be mood as much as anything else. Other ideas:
but take (a) instead.
, W is missing a move at (a):
@ 
in my life, I will look into it a bit (experimental game for me, wot). 3-3 invasion directly is 98% out, as is tenuki (contact). I have a sinking feeling that this (shown) joseki is getting played. (The 'old faithful' joseki here seems good for me at first impression, because his bottom left might become a little vulnerable.) Decisions, decisions.
is in a nice place.