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Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:36 am
by Solomon
kirkmc wrote:So when do we get answers?

I'll post them after I'm out of classes today.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:26 pm
by Solomon
Congrats to:

  • Jonas
  • topazg
  • Violence
  • Harlequin
  • Gene
  • Stable
  • Wildclaw
  • ethanb
  • wossname

Honorable Mentions:

  • FrenchDude
  • fwiffo
  • daniel_the_smith
  • Dusk Eagle

Solutions (and player names):
Game 1: EddieO[14k] vs. forgood[14k]
Game 2: knjyon[1d] vs. xiaob[1d]
Game 3: spargo[7k] vs. hanamizuki[7k]
Game 4: suechan[5d] vs. akiosan[5d]
Game 5: Zhou Ruiyang 5p vs. Chen Yaoye 9p

I'll do another one in the future, but give it some time to keep it fresh.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:42 pm
by tj86430
tj86430 wrote:Ok, I'll bite:
Game1: 14k
Game2: 5d
Game3: 1d
Game4: 7k
Game5: pro

Hmm...

I nailed 1 & 5,
2 & 3 were off "by 1"
4 was off by a mile for some reason

Next time I'll spend some time on this :evil:

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:45 pm
by daniel_the_smith
In retrospect, I probably should have taken a clue from the big dumpling black made in game 4.

Next time you do this, it would be interesting to do one with a 1d, 3d, 5d, 7d, and pro game, and one with a 13k, 10k, 7k, 4k and 1k game. I bet you have to be several dan to do very well on the first one, and I'm curious if the second one would be judged better by 5ks than by 1d+s (I think no but am not sure).

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:43 pm
by Jedo
Hey why no honorable mention, I was pretty close! Just switched the 7 and 14 k :mrgreen:

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:58 pm
by Jordus
Jedo wrote:Hey why no honorable mention, I was pretty close! Just switched the 7 and 14 k :mrgreen:

Me too. Guess we think alike.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:08 pm
by ethanb
I got it right... but for the wrong reason!

I just recounted #5's endgame being more (?) awake this time and I think I forgot to give white komi the other night when I was judging the position - it's actually about a ten point difference (either that or I'm less awake tonight and misjudging some other way.)

So in all fairness, I have to demote myself to honorable mention. :oops:

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:02 pm
by daal
Araban wrote:Congrats to:


Honorable Mentions:


Grumble grumble...

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:44 pm
by ChradH
I switched 7k and 1d... :shock:

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:08 am
by lorill
I got everything right (well, except that i didn"t decide between 5d and pro, but at least I wasn't wrong!) :o
Ah no, i inverted 7k and 14k :oops:

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:38 am
by zinger
Interesting.

I found the game close to my strength.

I switched the pro and 5d games - they are too much stronger than me for me to tell the difference.

I switched the 7k and 14k games - they are too much weaker than me for me to tell the difference.

I wonder if high dans or pros would be unable to distinguish my games from a 7k?

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:48 am
by topazg
zinger wrote:Interesting.

I found the game close to my strength.

I switched the pro and 5d games - they are too much stronger than me for me to tell the difference.

I switched the 7k and 14k games - they are too much weaker than me for me to tell the difference.

I wonder if high dans or pros would be unable to distinguish my games from a 7k?


I'm not sure, I felt very confident about all 5 having played through them twice. Maybe the difference is perhaps less whether it is close to one's own rank, and more to do with how often you look at games of the ranks in question.

I teach people at the 7 and the 14k range, I am around 1d, and I play through a lot of professional games - I feel like this probably makes the job much easier than if, for example, I just played a number of even games at my own rank and did little else.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:31 am
by Jonas
Hmmmm when I play a new player at the goclub I'm not able to say if he is at 20k, 15k or 10k ....

I think because araban gave some ranks to choose (which were very far apart from each other) it was kind of easy to guess the right rank. If I should've guessed without multiplechoice, I think I'd have screwed up completly.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:34 am
by topazg
Jonas wrote:Hmmmm when I play a new player at the goclub I'm not able to say if he is at 20k, 15k or 10k ....

I think because araban gave some ranks to choose (which were very far apart from each other) it was kind of easy to guess the right rank. If I should've guessed without multiplechoice, I think I'd have screwed up completly.


Yeah, that's true, I think I would have too...

Maybe that's the next test araban, don't tell anyone what ranks they are? 10 points for getting spot on, -1 per rank off to a minimum of 0?

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:00 am
by Tryphon
I liked the examples of weird games played by pros, that looks like DDK games, in a similar thread on GD. What were they ?