Life In 19x19

at this rate..1986 can win this game.

I’m not sure why he played the corner, I’m mean sure it’s big, but I’m not done fighting up top yet. I’m thinking it’s more important because my groups are not comfortable up there yet
But this was a thought at first to just respond

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But I’m more focused on the top right now and n17 has been a move that’s been on my mind especially since he ignored me (make him pay for that)

Maybe I’m wrong because I really don't know where to play, I wish I could call a life line just for this move just because, well let me show u

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 1 O . . . . . |
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I don’t like this undercut it rips BIG territory, so maybe this instead

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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but I don’t like this either, I even like (a) more, and I don’t like the top either he gets n17 and that’s GREAT, because like I said my groups are uncomfortable on the top side still

Hmmm. what would a pro do?

Even if he does undercut I’m sure I can pick up something big elsewhere to make up for it so I’m sticking with n17

Yeah, now that I see 30 on the board it is insane that I actually thought bottom was worth playing on XD It feels like black has kept (and probably augmented) his initial advantage. On the other hand, white has made the situation more complicated - I guess a move like J3 next? The top right corner is still open (not to mention that there may be interesting dual threat moves on top later for white), so the board is still pretty unsettled.

See, this is why Malkovich games make me so self-conscious ... look at the board ... I'm guessing there should be at least 4 stones difference in our skill (I'm a little weaker than 2k, he's likely slightly stronger than 8k in a slow game like this). Should the board really look like this?

I take comfort in the fact that I am almost ALWAYS behind after the first 50-75 moves. Well, not MUCH comfort ...

Go is supposed to be a beautiful game, right? I'm afraid my play style is very ugly. Sorry.

Anyways, self-pity aside, the only path is forward. More complications, please!

this move is Very urgent, its a wedge played to split the groups.
anything soft he would make good shape right in the middel of the bottom

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This is inside weak group move out but No; not good for me at all, i was thinking something like this

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$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . 3 . O . . 5 . . |
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$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , 7 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . 3 . O . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
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but now this battel has turned into a full fledge war, i need a moment of silence just to think about this , its making alot of groups. something will come

I like black's spirit, but not sure if complicating the game is a good idea. White is very unlikely to Q2 as that just helps black's corner - instead white will probably play something like M5 and it becomes a complicated running fight. If I were black I would probably have just played G5, which will leave invasion potential on the white group anyways (for example, in 1986's variation, black has L3 later).

Edit: "...white will probably play something like M5" is a mistake - I meant O5. I still need to master this thing called the alphabet XD

And now, we degrade into all out fighting. I truly hope I don't embarrass myself too much in this game ...

i wonder what he is thinking here my guess is

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$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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maybe but that damages the right side of the board for white

the way i see it is im making two white weak groups by spliting them , i know i can't catch both of them & i dont like how my group on the left is getting behind enemy lines (sector lines that is) it is a inside weak group..... but for now my mission is to keep him seperated

if i help the left group then this could happen

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . . . . . |
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the one stone is easier to sacrifice but overall whites group looks better, might as well ran with the weak group earlier,

globally starting from the G line towards the right side white does not a have a group that setteled, (and he is out numbered)

if i can get him running towards the cetner or push him to the left, i could build influence and thickness to make it hard for white to get comfortable,

its a 2 way battle on the bottom and a two way battle up top with unsetteled groups

so this could get messy if you don't pay attention to the whole board.

every move counts im finna zone in on my board at home see u guys later

Points. I'm feeling a bit better about my own position in this game. Gotta fight the good fight, right?

this is pretty simple

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

either way he takes the corner, and i get outside and that is fine with me because he is making his bottom left weaker

he is making me stronger by invading the corner and giving me thickness.

he gets some points but its not a big deal because he is enclosed, he gets sente too, so that will be interesting

well off to bed late night tonight

Am I the only one that likes white better in this game? And most of 1986's diagrams look very off to me, he doesn't play his opponent's most obvious moves imo. I've noticed this in more 1986's Malkovich games. But I think he holds pretty well in this game. I would bet on white anytime, but I expected more of a carnage I don't like white's most recent moves, I think he stood very well and should just took black's corners. But hey, I'm 7k KGS

Sur: Yes. Black's diagrams are way off. He does qualify this one by saying "it hurts White's right side". But really, 1986: you should probably forget that moves like this exist. You'll see an improvement from always considering your opponent's strongest response, not what you hope he plays.

1986 wrote:i wonder what he is thinking here my guess is

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

maybe but that damages the right side of the board for white

the way i see it is im making two white weak groups by spliting them , i know i can't catch both of them & i dont like how my group on the left is getting behind enemy lines (sector lines that is) it is a inside weak group..... but for now my mission is to keep him seperated

if i help the left group then this could happen

wow i probably got 3 hours of sleep, i just took my friend to work and now im going back to bed. i already talked about this move in a previous post zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Playing here allows me to stretch to S6 instead of S5 in the standard variation.

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$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . X . O 5 X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 4 2 . |
$$ . . . . . . 3 . . . |
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The standard variation I'm talking about:

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$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ . . X . . . . . 4 . |
$$ , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . X . O 3 X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]

For those who haven't encountered this before, here's what can happen if you try to extend too far after R2 instead of S2:

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$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ . . X . . . . 6 5 0 |
$$ , . . . . . X 7 8 . |
$$ . . X . O 3 X O 9 . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O 2 B . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]

In this variation Black takes the corner, and White's semi-living group ( ) is going to be in a bunch of trouble. This would be a disaster for White.