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Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 5:57 am**

A selection of the kifu can be found here: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/worldama/33/e/kifu.html. The Chile-Brazil game is not listed. I don't know if there is a more comprehensive source.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 7:36 am**

More than a selection of kifu is a selection of games.

In Japan they've been putting 8 computers to transmit some games and have the policy of "try to transmit at least one game from every participant". Obviously they always put attention to the top favorites, but if China is about to play a low-dan they don't transmit that one and prefer a fighted 1dan-1dan game of players that didn't have a chance to be seen online.

In China they only put 4 tables: one for China, one for the South Korea and the matches of the other 2 top classified players. Differente places, different philosophy

You can compare:
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html

So, we depend on the memory of the each of the other player to think about any extra kifu. And I think we won't see the game Brasil-Chile but in photos

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 8:56 am**

dankenzon wrote:More than a selection of kifu is a selection of games.

In Japan they've been putting 8 computers to transmit some games and have the policy of "try to transmit at least one game from every participant". Obviously they always put attention to the top favorites, but if China is about to play a low-dan they don't transmit that one and prefer a fighted 1dan-1dan game of players that didn't have a chance to be seen online.

In China they only put 4 tables: one for China, one for the South Korea and the matches of the other 2 top classified players. Differente places, different philosophy

You can compare:
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/amakisen/wor ... /kifu.html

So, we depend on the memory of the each of the other player to think about any extra kifu. And I think we won't see the game Brasil-Chile but in photos

understandable.. but some guys from a brazil go group on face asked about it, so i figured i'd try here.. thanks all the same..

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 10:39 am**

He-he I wasn't suggested he (Japanese 8d) was breaking any rules - I was saying double handed play is breaking the rules. Now I've read about what happened, there is scope for saying that this smelt a bit. It could well be a case of Japan thought they pressed the clock after their move- but didn't, USA then plays, tries to press the clock. Obviously you can't press the clock twice, so it does nothing. Then Japan runs out of time. If I notice somebody hasn't pressed their clock, I do generally tell them, because it is the nice thing to do.

Anyway, I have no idea what happened, I just hope the referee did.

NeoNemesis wrote:It's a good point, but since the game is almost over, why not just finish it. The Japanese guy is an older gentleman. He may be less familiar or forgetful when it comes to clocks. I don't think he was deliberately breaking the rules. My opponents in real life tournaments often forget to press their clocks. Sometimes even I do. Of course, I wasn't there, so it's hard to say what actually happened in regards to time. What's unquestionable is what is on the board. I think anyone with a basic knowledge of go can win that game in the Japanese player's position.

I don't know and it's completely the American's right to take the victory. I just believe it's good sportsmanship to finish a game that's almost done.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 10:46 am**

Herman, I think your script doesn't handle Mac / Mc names properly?
Colin MacSweeney is correct.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 12:00 pm**

Javaness2 wrote:Herman, I think your script doesn't handle Mac / Mc names properly?
Colin MacSweeney is correct.

Ah yes, it does a very simple conversion from the ranka tables, just lowercasing everything but the first letter. I've fixed it.

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 10:11 pm**

Quite interesting fight between North Corea (Black) and China (White) from the very beginning!! in a very complex and recent variation of the three space pincer after a keima approach on a 3-4 point!

It's sad that the game was won by time for China!

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2012 10:21 pm**

dankenzon wrote:Quite interesting fight between North Corea (Black) and China (White) from the very beginning!! in a very complex and recent variation of the three space pincer after a keima approach on a 3-4 point!

It's sad that the game was won by time for China!

The Chinese player was comfortably ahead though, so it doesn't make a difference in this case.

It was very bad for the Japan-USA game, where the time forfeit reverted the result on the board.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 1:20 am**

After round 7:

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Pl Name                       Rank C/R   Pt   SOS       
1  Qiao Zhijian                 7d  CN    7    35      25+   6+  21+   4+   2+   3+   5+   9?
2  Chen Cheng_Hsun              7d  TW    6    33      39+  15+  11+  14+   1-   9+   4+   3?
3  Lee, Hyunjoon                4d  KR    6    31      48+  30+   8+  20+   5+   1-   7+   2?
4  Chan Chi_Hin                 6d  HK    5    34      34+  17+  22+   1-  11+   6+   2-  13?
5  Ri Kwang_Hyok                6d  KP    5    32      51+   7+  33+  10+   3-  15+   1-  12?
6  Lou Yuxiang                  5d  SG    5    31      47+   1-  25+  21+  10+   4-  17+   7?
7  Balogh, Pal                  6d  HU    5    31      26+   5-  24+  19+  18+  16+   3-   6?
8  Nakazono, Seizoh             8d  JP    5    30      12+  27+   3-  15-  14+  35+  16+  28?
9  Teuber, Benjamin             6d  DE    5    29      42+  14-  29+  12+  23+   2-  20+   1?
10 Burzo, Gheorghe_Cornel       6d  RO    5    29      24+  37+  16+   5-   6-  14+  18+  11?
11 Kuronen, Juri                5d  FI    5    27      50+  31+   2-  17+   4-  29+  15+  10?
12 Saechen Panjawat             4d  TH    5    26       8-  36+  30+   9-  45+  24+  19+   5?
13 Popov, Jigor                 5d  RU    5    22      20-  29-  42+  39+  32+  31+  30+   4?
14 Podpera, Lukas               5d  CZ    4    32      23+   9+  20+   2-   8-  10-  32+  15?
15 Zhou Yuan                    7d  US    4    31      38+   2-  28+   8+  31+   5-  11-  14?
16 Lisy Pavol                   5d  SK    4    29      19+  43+  10-  33+  27+   7-   8-  18?
17 Do Khanh_Binh                2d  VN    4    28      46+   4-  34+  11-  25+  27+   6-  22?
18 Rasmussen, Jannik_Lundgaard  4d  DK    4    28      35+  21-  44+  26+   7-  23+  10-  16?
19 Campagnie, Rémi              5d  FR    4    28      16-  40+  35+   7-  26+  22+  12-  27?
20 Matoh Leon                   5d  SI    4    28      13+  32+  14-   3-  48+  41+   9-  23?
21 Chan Kouk_Wang               5d  MO    4    26       0+  18+   1-   6-  24-  36+  37+  26?
22 Li Xianyu                    6d  CA    4    26      41+  28+   4-  23-  34+  19-  31+  17?
23 Li_Longyang,                 5d  NZ    4    26      14-  42+  32+  22+   9-  18-  29+  20?
24 Zaid Waqi                    4d  MY    4    26      10-  52+   7-  47+  21+  12-  35+  25?
25 Metta, Carlo                 3d  IT    4    26       1-  47+   6-  37+  17-  50+  34+  24?
26 Götzfried, Andreas_M         4d  LU    4    23       7-  51+  37+  18-  19-  46+  40+  21?
27 Eerbeek, Alexander           5d  NL    4    22      36+   8-  53+  45+  16-  17-  33+  19?
28 Paunic, Dragan               2d  BA    4    19      54+  22-  15-  53+  29-  38+  41+   8?
29 Li, Martin                   5d  SE    3    27      32-  13+   9-  55+  28+  11-  23-  44?
30 Stankovic, Mijodrag          5d  RS    3    26      53+   3-  12-  38-  43+  44+  13-  33?
31 Aitken, Samuel               4d  UK    3    26      49+  11-  38+  41+  15-  13-  22-  36?
32 Lopez_Herrero, Eduardo       5d  AR    3    25      29+  20-  23-  46+  13-  33+  14-  41?
33 Spiegel, Lothar              4d  AT    3    24      45+  44+   5-  16-  36+  32-  27-  30?
34 Mazille, Félicien            1d  CH    3    24       4-  46+  17-  49+  22-  39+  25-  37?
35 Suponeu, Aliaksandr          1d  BY    3    23      18-   0+  19-  43+  40+   8-  24-  42?
36 Carles_Ramon, Pau            3d  ES    3    23      27-  12-  48+  42+  33-  21-  45+  31?
37 Tome, Daniele                3d  PT    3    22      52+  10-  26-  25-  55+  45+  21-  34?
38 Sannes, Pål_Harald           4d  NO    3    22      15-  39+  31-  30+  41-  28-  49+  40?
39 Acuna_Silva Carlos_Andre     3d  CO    3    22       2-  38-  54+  13-  49+  34-  50+  43?
40 Leuner, John                 2d  ZA    3    21      43-  19-  51+  44+  35-  47+  26-  38?
41 Gonze, François              4d  BE    3    21      22-  54+  49+  31-  38+  20-  28-  32?
42 Petrauska, Albertas          1d  LT    3    21       9-  23-  13-  36-  54+  52+  53+  35?
43 MacSweeney, Colin            1k  IE    3    19      40+  16-  45-  35-  30-  48+  51+  39?
44 Bofinger, David              2d  AU    3    17      55+  33-  18-  40-  53+  30-  46+  29?
45 Mutabzija, Zoran             5d  HR    2    22      33-  55+  43+  27-  12-  37-  36-  48?
46 Karaerkek, Kerek             2d  TR    2    21      17-  34-  50+  32-  52+  26-  44-  49?
47 Regginos, Demetris           1d  CY    2    21       6-  25-  52+  24-  50-  40-  54+  51?
48 Prem, Nadeen                 3d  BR    2    20       3-  53-  36-  51+  20-  43-  55+  45?
49 Larios_Sanchez, Salvador     2d  MX    2    18      31-  50+  41-  34-  39-  53+  38-  46?
50 Cajiao, Luis                 2d  CR    2    18      11-  49-  46-   0+  47+  25-  39-  52?
51 Fang Xiaoyan                 3d  CN    2    18       5-  26-  40-  48-   0+  55+  43-  47?
52 Tahirbayov, Bahadur_Bayram   6d  AZ    2    15      37-  24-  47-  54+  46-  42-   0+  50?
53 Perez_Caceres, Leslie        4k  CL    1    21      30-  48+  27-  28-  44-  49-  42-   0+
54 Ivanov, Ivan                 3k  BG    1    17      28-  41-  39-  52-  42-   0+  47-  55?
55 Shartologoi, Bayarjargal     4d  MN    1    15      44-  45-   0+  29-  37-  51-  48-  54?
56 Ja, Ismail                   7k  MA    0    15       0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 4:12 am**

Final result:

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1  Qiao Zhijian                 7d  CN    8    45      16+   9+  19+   4+   3+   2+   5+  10+
2  Lee, Hyunjoon                4d  KR    7    41      50+  37+   8+  23+   5+   1-   6+   3+
3  Chen Cheng_Hsun              7d  TW    6    45      35+  21+   7+  12+   1-  10+   4+   2-
4  Chan Chi_Hin                 6d  HK    6    42      38+  13+  24+   1-   7+   9+   3-  20+
5  Ri Kwang_Hyok                6d  KP    6    41      52+   6+  31+  11+   2-  21+   1-  15+
6  Balogh, Pal                  6d  HU    6    40      28+   5-  25+  17+  14+  22+   2-   9+
7  Kuronen, Juri                5d  FI    6    37      48+  30+   3-  13+   4-  27+  21+  11+
8  Nakazono, Seizoh             8d  JP    6    37      15+  29+   2-  21-  12+  33+  22+  32+
9  Lou Yuxiang                  5d  SG    5    43      45+   1-  16+  19+  11+   4-  13+   6-
10 Teuber, Benjamin             6d  DE    5    40      42+  12-  27+  15+  18+   3-  23+   1-
11 Burzo, Gheorghe_Cornel       6d  RO    5    39      25+  34+  22+   5-   9-  12+  14+   7-
12 Podpera, Lukas               5d  CZ    5    39      18+  10+  23+   3-   8-  11-  26+  21+
13 Do Khanh_Binh                2d  VN    5    36      44+   4-  38+   7-  16+  29+   9-  24+
14 Rasmussen, Jannik_Lundgaard  4d  DK    5    36      33+  19-  46+  28+   6-  18+  11-  22+
15 Saechen Panjawat             4d  TH    5    35       8-  39+  37+  10-  43+  25+  17+   5-
16 Metta, Carlo                 3d  IT    5    35       1-  45+   9-  34+  13-  48+  38+  25+
17 Campagnie, Rémi              5d  FR    5    34      22-  40+  33+   6-  28+  24+  15-  29+
18 Li_Longyang,                 5d  NZ    5    34      12-  42+  26+  24+  10-  14-  27+  23+
19 Chan Kouk_Wang               5d  MO    5    33       0+  14+   1-   9-  25-  39+  34+  28+
20 Popov, Jigor                 5d  RU    5    32      23-  27-  42+  35+  26+  30+  37+   4-
21 Zhou Yuan                    7d  US    4    41      36+   3-  32+   8+  30+   5-   7-  12-
22 Lisy Pavol                   5d  SK    4    38      17+  47+  11-  31+  29+   6-   8-  14-
23 Matoh Leon                   5d  SI    4    36      20+  26+  12-   2-  50+  41+  10-  18-
24 Li Xianyu                    6d  CA    4    35      41+  32+   4-  18-  38+  17-  30+  13-
25 Zaid Waqi                    4d  MY    4    35      11-  51+   6-  45+  19+  15-  33+  16-
26 Lopez_Herrero, Eduardo       5d  AR    4    33      27+  23-  18-  44+  20-  31+  12-  41+
27 Li, Martin                   5d  SE    4    33      26-  20+  10-  55+  32+   7-  18-  46+
28 Götzfried, Andreas_M         4d  LU    4    33       6-  52+  34+  14-  17-  44+  40+  19-
29 Eerbeek, Alexander           5d  NL    4    32      39+   8-  53+  43+  22-  13-  31+  17-
30 Aitken, Samuel               4d  UK    4    31      49+   7-  36+  41+  21-  20-  24-  39+
31 Spiegel, Lothar              4d  AT    4    30      43+  46+   5-  22-  39+  26-  29-  37+
32 Paunic, Dragan               2d  BA    4    29      54+  24-  21-  53+  27-  36+  41+   8-
33 Suponeu, Aliaksandr          1d  BY    4    29      14-   0+  17-  47+  40+   8-  25-  42+
34 Tome, Daniele                3d  PT    4    28      51+  11-  28-  16-  55+  43+  19-  38+
35 Acuna_Silva Carlos_Andre     3d  CO    4    28       3-  36-  54+  20-  49+  38-  48+  47+
36 Sannes, Pål_Harald           4d  NO    4    27      21-  35+  30-  37+  41-  32-  49+  40+
37 Stankovic, Mijodrag          5d  RS    3    33      53+   2-  15-  36-  47+  46+  20-  31-
38 Mazille, Félicien            1d  CH    3    33       4-  44+  13-  49+  24-  35+  16-  34-
39 Carles_Ramon, Pau            3d  ES    3    30      29-  15-  50+  42+  31-  19-  43+  30-
40 Leuner, John                 2d  ZA    3    28      47-  17-  52+  46+  33-  45+  28-  36-
41 Gonze, François              4d  BE    3    28      24-  54+  49+  30-  36+  23-  32-  26-
42 Petrauska, Albertas          1d  LT    3    28      10-  18-  20-  39-  54+  51+  53+  33-
43 Mutabzija, Zoran             5d  HR    3    26      31-  55+  47+  29-  15-  34-  39-  50+
44 Karaerkek, Kerek             2d  TR    3    26      13-  38-  48+  26-  51+  28-  46-  49+
45 Regginos, Demetris           1d  CY    3    26       9-  16-  51+  25-  48-  40-  54+  52+
46 Bofinger, David              2d  AU    3    25      55+  31-  14-  40-  53+  37-  44+  27-
47 MacSweeney, Colin            1k  IE    3    25      40+  22-  43-  33-  37-  50+  52+  35-
48 Cajiao, Luis                 2d  CR    3    25       7-  49-  44-   0+  45+  16-  35-  51+
49 Larios_Sanchez, Salvador     2d  MX    2    26      30-  48+  41-  38-  35-  53+  36-  44-
50 Prem, Nadeen                 3d  BR    2    25       2-  53-  39-  52+  23-  47-  55+  43-
51 Tahirbayov, Bahadur_Bayram   6d  AZ    2    22      34-  25-  45-  54+  44-  42-   0+  48-
52 Fang Xiaoyan                 3d  CN    2    22       5-  28-  40-  50-   0+  55+  47-  45-
53 Perez_Caceres, Leslie        4k  CL    2    21      37-  50+  29-  32-  46-  49-  42-   0+
54 Ivanov, Ivan                 3k  BG    2    20      32-  41-  35-  51-  42-   0+  45-  55+
55 Shartologoi, Bayarjargal     4d  MN    1    20      46-  43-   0+  27-  34-  52-  50-  54-
56 Ja, Ismail                   7k  MA    0    21       0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-   0-

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 2:13 pm**

Thanks for your updates HermanHiddema! Very much appreciated. And wow, Taiwan did very well this year. Very impressed at the little kid's performance. Before the WAGC began, I was looking forward to how the youngest player in the WAGC would do. I look forward to how he'll do in the future WAGC events.

Btw, anyone know why Korea decided to rank their rep as a 4d? Call me skeptical, but there's no way that guy's only 4d.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 3:30 pm**

A 4d in 2nd place and 2nd-to-last place, how symmetrical!

I heard something vague about how in Korea 4d is a sort of modest default rank for strong players if they haven't got anything officially higher.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 3:45 pm**

I just noticed there's no representative from Israel. Anyone know why?

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2012 5:43 pm**

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4A0zm6bdgOBMlFUbEZtSkgwNkk
If anyone needs the results as PDF... :salute:

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2012 4:18 am**

oren wrote:I just noticed there's no representative from Israel. Anyone know why?

I remember seeing Ali Jabarin on the participant page just 1-2 day before the rounds start.

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Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012

Re: World Amateur Go Championship 2012