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Yithril vs. Magicwand

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Re:

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:25 am
by Tooveli
EdLee wrote:
Tooveli,
yithril wrote:I don't see life for White really.
So yithril's assessment is W dies even if W plays first. :) We shall see.


I agree with Yithril. I still think M2 is the best White can do.

Perhaps he can first start with a probe in the corner to see if Black will kill, then Black is forced to let M2 connect out. But if Black is planning to pull back from M2 anyway then the result is the same.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:01 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
long as i maintain the balance... i am fine

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:18 am
by EdLee
Tooveli, thanks.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:30 pm
by yithril
@obs

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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My choices range from A through E. Personally I think D and B are soft. B hands White the influence he is looking for right now. D gives me an unstable group with my moyo not too far away. E, while big, is too slow. He would take the upper left corner effortlessly. That leaves me with A and C. Do I approach, cede the corner, but get breathing room for a group? Can I use A to sabaki and make a group along the left while he defends the corner?

Right now I'm leaning towards A heavily, but don't want to make my move hastily.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 3 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 4 . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This one is out. I am not giving White a wall on the outside and have him automatically reduce me.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 1 O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like this one the most. Reduce the sides I want reduced.

I will have to think on this for a bit, don't want to play a bad move when I have the initiative.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:28 am
by SpongeBob
Yithril takes this game rather seriously - quite a different attitude compared to Magicwand, it seems. Hope that Magicwand does not fall back and makes for a suspenseful game.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:46 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I finally decided on this move because so long as the left side doesn't develop I can use the right side to my advantage.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:55 pm
by Shaddy
I really don't like this move. It makes the corner thick, which naturally reduces Black's top. I think Black should play a two-space high extension on the right.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:05 pm
by logan
Shaddy wrote:
I really don't like this move. It makes the corner thick, which naturally reduces Black's top. I think Black should play a two-space high extension on the right.
Yes, it also seems impatient and black is over-estimating his moyo on the right -- it's quite fragile.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:00 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think he made a mistake

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:13 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 a 5 8 b O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 6 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |

$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Prolly end up doing this, I ran out of numbers so I just continued the sequence with a-d. Ladder is in my favor (I don't think he has a huge enough ladder breaker) so I get the corner. This is not really want I wanted now that I think of it because my top stone should now be a small keima rather than where it is, but I'll just have to run with this. A move's a move.

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:18 pm
by EdLee
Yithril,
yithril wrote:I ran out of numbers so I just continued the sequence with a-d.
Make a new diagram every 10 moves:
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[go]$$Bm11
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 X O 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:56 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

only move for me now.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: what i expect..and a or b for black
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 6 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:24 pm
by yithril
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he doesn't play around A I'll have that for later, if he does, I take sente.

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:10 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:20 am
by yithril
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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