magicwand versus drmwc

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:45 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . 0 . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 9 . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 1 . . 2 , 3 . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:38 am

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:56 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Write up to follow later this evening (or later in the week if I'm lazy).

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:22 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:27 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The motivation behind my previous move is that there is an obvious cut for me, but playing it immediately fails.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm Attack! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O 3 . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 X 5 4 O a . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 1 X 8 . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . 2 O X c 7 b . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

7 looks towards playing at a or at , but then 8 threatens c and looks nasty. It protects against both a and b.

So suppose MW plays a different move with 22:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Attack! take 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O 5 . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 X 7 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 5 X a . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . 4 O X . 9 b . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now I'm definitely better off than before. Due to the 1-2 exchange, I can now answer a at b. This would have dropped some stones before. So as possiblke coninutation is:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Attack! take 2 continued $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O b X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O X 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . 1 3 . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

and this is fine with me - I can either treat my stones lightly for now or move out immediatlely at a or atari at b may be playable. (There is a cary alternative - see last tow diagrams below.)

With the move MW played, I suspect it will be similar if W connects:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O 5 . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 X 7 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 4 O X . 9 . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . a 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And if this happens, MW's move is an unconditional mistake. He'd prefer to have it at a - he's lost some number of points. SO it's worth considering what happens if MW doesn't connect initially:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . a . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O 4 . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 5 O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 7 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm happy with this. The corner is big, and if I have miai of a and b on the outside.

Finally, it's worth considering what happens if MW blocks as below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O X 4 5 O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . 7 O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O O O X . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks OK to me - B's moyo is fairly imposing, and MW has (as noted) made an unconditional loss in the corner. MW does have an opporunity to make mischied within this sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm What's going on? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 0 . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O X 6 7 O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X 5 4 O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O O O X . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Followed by:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm When I get that feeling (Apologies to Marvin Gaye) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O X O X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O O X 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X X O O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O O O X 6 X O . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . 3 2 1 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1 as above looks good to me. W can attempt to get a ko, but 7 is a nice move which seems to kill everywhere.

The line immediately above would be scary for me if W had bloked at 22, but as played they are relatively benign.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:44 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

all i want out of this fight is just little advantage... i already have 6.5 points to start and only need to keep it even game to win easily.

i expect something close to bottom diag.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 5 O X . 7 8 . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 9 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:51 am

Magicwand wrote:i expect something close to bottom diag.
$$Bcm21
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O a b . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . O c . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 5 O X . 7 8 . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O a b . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 4 . O c . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 O 3 X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 2 5 O X . 7 8 . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . 9 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

is 27 for 28 really a good exchange? Also I note that in drmwc's similar variation he had white solidly connect at a rather than cut of 24. MW's move could be a little greedy as it is not unconditionally connected as black has some aji at b/c to aim at.

jts · Post by **jts** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:03 pm

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:22 pm

@jts:

I say greedy because in terms of immediate points it is better (more than 2, at least 4). If black doesn't find a way to use the bad aji at g6 then it is better. Will he use it? Impossible to say, but it's always nice to have aji to aim at. The reason I feel that the aji is relevant is the connection to the j4 k6 stones is important in this game with black's framework on the right and the j8 cap. MW's move also has the advantage of making his left group stronger, with f6 there is the possibility of ugly moves like this for black which are pretty bad exchange of inside for outside, but strictly speaking we can see white's group has less local eyeshape and the d7 shape is a flabby kosumi (better solid at d6) with an annoying peep at a. Or pushing in at d6 creates 2 cuts but the c7 one does nothing now so white could just connect at e7 (or more ambitious g7), but say black got the b3 hane and connect endgame then the c7 cut is working. So yes MW's move removes this aji, but leaves the thinness to the k6 stones aji. No one moves completely fixes all the aji. This kind of aji judgement is really hard and I didn't think about it much and even if I did I'm not sure my decision would be any better.

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jts · Post by **jts** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:30 pm

Faster than a drunken blitzer! Thanks for the quick and helpful reply, Uberdude.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:13 pm

Uberdude wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i expect something close to bottom diag.
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is 27 for 28 really a good exchange? Also I note that in drmwc's similar variation he had white solidly connect at a rather than cut of 24. MW's move could be a little greedy as it is not unconditionally connected as black has some aji at b/c to aim at.

I think I prefer MW's move here. And I'd take the 27/28 exchange as B. He - although he does not explicitly state so - is making a clear distinction between light and heavy. G5 is light. MW will be willing to give it up under certain circumstances. But his left side group is unassailable.

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It is the J-column stones that MW is betting on to give himself a springboard to the right side. He is probably planning on something like 'd' or 'e', which when combined with 'f' or 'g', leads to a nice double attack.

Furthermore, Black's two floating central stones are light. They indeed can be used to cut off white's stones, but in doing so they become heavy.

I predict that MW's next move is 'd'.

drmwc · Post by **drmwc** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:14 am

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As planned. 24 takes more territory than the move I showed in my variants, but it's worse aji.

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For example, if this happens move 29 threatens to cut at a. I't unclear to me if I should play this immediately or not - it may be stronger to keep it in reserve as a lot moves thereaten the cut, and my stones are quite light.

I didn't put down conditional moves, beacsue it's conceivable for MW not to coneetct e.g. to play at 27. I don't think it's any good for him, but it's not completely ridiculous.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:17 am

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emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:54 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:16 am

emeraldemon wrote:@Magicwand

How do you feel about the cut at F5? Did you think about playing F6?

he can not cut as you see below. he can peep and let me connect...but that really doesnt matter becasue he is still swimming in my turf.

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so best he can do is something like below....still not good for black.

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what do you mean playing F6?

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