Life In 19x19

Morgoth Bauglir wrote:Kudos to wms for setting the standard.

Kudos for a now 13-year-old standard.

Another thing that was widely used 13 years ago : Internet Explorer 5.

Xa17u wrote:

Morgoth Bauglir wrote:Kudos to wms for setting the standard.

Kudos for a now 13-year-old standard.

Another thing that was widely used 13 years ago : Internet Explorer 5.

Of course, IE10 is such a great improvement...

Morgoth Bauglir wrote:I found it enlightening that any new go server is in fact expected to be KGS + additional new features + new interfaces.

+ stone sound

Well, I wrote in August 2011 in the original thread.

Imho it is very difficult to establish a new go server nowadays. You will need the right player base much more urgently than the best interface, so I would invest more in translating services than programming. Even a server like OGS suffers from lack of players, 1k upwards the population is very small and this is a turn based server that can cope with a small population much better. I really wonder whether it is all the fancy features that draw people to e.g. WBaduk or the possibility to find an even opponent within seconds. To me it is clearly the second.

It went exactly as I thought it would (and I didn't put money into it for that reason), but I am not happy about it.

A go server needs players, to attract players you need to offer them some benefit over existing servers. It is much easier to gain a major advantage vs. commercial servers that are not free-to-play than vs. free-to-play server KGS which is despite complaints without major issues. Trying to gain an advantage over KGS while planning to make a commercial, but free-to-play server is hard, i.e. some of the very features that are supposed to constitute your advantage vs. KGS will be only available to paying customers. Competing on features vs. KGS meant much more development effort than would have been necessary otherwise (i.e. competing on price in Japan, Korea) as well. But raising capital from the western go community you probably had no chance but to cater to their wishes and that is hard with so many wishes and different opinions.

At some point you have to realise that Go isn't about the board and stones.

It's sad because Kaya had a good user base from the start which is more than any new Go server can ask.
I remember the free beta accounts release days; people could register 900 accounts in a few hours!

So the "There are not enough games being played on Kaya" argument is maybe true now, but it wasn't for a long time.

Something went wrong on the way.

I used to play regularly in the ASR league on Kaya and it was SO COOL! That system was (is?) awesome with live update of the result page and people actually did reviews. There were lots of dan players which was the fastest way for me to improve. (at some points Kaya ranks were moderately stronger than KGS')

Of course there were a few bugs in review mode (they got fixed rather quickly in my opinion) and apparently a few features that are on KGS were missing on Kaya and it resulted in bad comments and bad reviews on Go forums.

Although I have no special requirements for a Go server beside being able to play without lag and getting a basic review afterwards (without all the whistles, colors and stuff), I was personally disappointed that the killer feature was correspondence games instead of the highly expected tournaments.

I guess it's like Bantari said, the customer is king and he got ignored. Expectations were too high.

I was a bit sceptical about the userbase size, because I know how people like to register multiple accounts

For instance, some players try to collect the alphabet a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p ...
Others will take go terms sente gote tenuki
Other Sai Hikaru

I have no idea what the average number logged in was, I guess the server logs would. However, I would bet that somebody probably took about 100 accounts at one sitting with some automated script, and shafted people who were actually interested in seeing what the server was like.

Okay no

There's a limit to how much bullshit I'm going to tolerate

Meaning : I would like someone (not going to give names) to fix the fact that nothing appears anymore since firefox 25



Thank you and drive safe

Xa17u wrote:Okay no

There's a limit to how much bullshit I'm going to tolerate

Meaning : I would like someone (not going to give names) to fix the fact that nothing appears anymore since firefox 25



Thank you and drive safe

LOL Kaya is erasing itself now. Hey Xatu, you could join Nova (I bet you already have in a clandestine way.)

dfunkt wrote:(I bet you already have in a clandestine way.)

Jesus christ you wish

Nova is to kaya.gs what libertarianism is to objectivism

Bruce Willis in a string vest award

Xa17u wrote:Nova is to kaya.gs what libertarianism is to objectivism

Deep, man.

-Cough,Cough-

kusto wrote:enjoy your sinking ship captain because we all know it has a lot of holes and in reality is not going anywhere.

It's still not being updated and still not open sourced to the public. Go figure.

I’m not sure … perhaps it’s more what apples are to oranges, or, uhm, perhaps what relativity is to ice cream. Or, well, what iridescence is to fragrance. Ach, forget it, I didn’t even understand what you meant with your comparison

Yeah, I look at that, and think "I know what I might think of such a comparison, but I have no clue what the author means."