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Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:06 pm
by vpopovic
Shaddy wrote:Here's a review.
http://eidogo.com/#xBSD46IkYour fighting is better than your opening, but you need to learn to play further away from strong stones and sacrifice stones that are just a burden to you.
Thank you very much for this. I really have to work on my strategy in the opening and greedeness in the middle game. Principles are easy, it's just so hard to apply them

Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:07 pm
by vpopovic
wineandgolover wrote:Vladimir,
Good luck. It is definitely do-able.
The folks I've seen do it are far better at fighting (reading) than those who make it slower. Being able to cut and kill makes up for most any deficiency in theory, at least as far as shodan.
A pro once laughed at me kindly when I talked about theory. She said that in China, my opponent would say, "You have excellent theories. Now I kill you." Too true!
Thanks for support

Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:29 am
by rhubarb
Hi Vladimir -
Just FYI, you can download SGFs of your KGS games any time from
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=Vladimir. (One of your in-game comments made me think you might not be aware of this--apologies if I'm mistaken!)
Best of luck

Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:58 am
by vpopovic
Thanx, mate.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:03 am
by vpopovic
Just now, Valentine2 wanted to undo.
I never ask for undo. I learned that when my dad thaught me to play chess when I was 5. Since then, in no game I ask to undo. I expect the same respect from my opponents.
So, I didn't gave him to undo. He called me noob and resigned.
Is there some weird codex on KGS about undoing that I'm not familiar with?
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:07 am
by p2501
I am not familier with kgs etiquette, but imho undo is something fro a friendly game between friends. I never ask to undo myself too. I grant undo only to friends.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:24 am
by oren
vpopovic wrote:Is there some weird codex on KGS about undoing that I'm not familiar with?
If it's an obvious misclick, it's good to grant it. Otherwise, it's up to the players how they want to deal with it. If you felt he just misread and make a mistake, you're fine in not granting it. His reaction in either case is rude.
Glanced at the game, you got the win on forfeit which means your opponent escapes enough that I expect this to be common with him. It also looks to be an obvious bad read and not a misclick. You can move on and not worry about it.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:58 am
by Bill Spight
Hi. I took a quick look at your game list on KGS. This month you have averaged almost two games per day. That shows great enthusiasm, but your strongest opponent was 9 kyu. I would worry about picking up bad habits. IMO, if you want to advance quickly, I think you would do better to play two games per week, against no opponent weaker than 4 kyu.

(Not that I am recommending two games per week, but against better opponents.)
Good luck!
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:02 am
by kupus
There are some strong players in Belgrade, you should join a club
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:02 am
by Bill Spight
oren wrote:vpopovic wrote:Is there some weird codex on KGS about undoing that I'm not familiar with?
If it's an obvious misclick, it's good to grant it. Otherwise, it's up to the players how they want to deal with it. If you felt he just misread and make a mistake, you're fine in not granting it. His reaction in either case is rude.
Glanced at the game, you got the win on forfeit which means your opponent escapes enough that I expect this to be common with him. It also looks to be an obvious bad read and not a misclick. You can move on and not worry about it.
BTW, misclicks are easy to have happen. My girlfriend does not play go, but her trackpad is so sensitive that misclicks happen all the time. I had one that would sometimes make a click when I was just hovering over it.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:35 am
by vpopovic
@Bill, @Oren, @p2501 Thanx, guys. It seemed to me also that that was a mistake rather then missclick.
Regarding playing much stronger opponents, I've got that weird fear of playing with them. I'll do my best to overcome that.
@kupus
For some reason, I can't respond to ur PM. I've been to c22 this Monday, met some people. Besides from that, I don't know anybody.
All contacts and help are very welcome, I like to hold stones in my hand much more than a mouse

Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:09 pm
by Bill Spight
vpopovic wrote:Regarding playing much stronger opponents, I've got that weird fear of playing with them. I'll do my best to overcome that.
Well, if things go according to plan, you will be 4 kyu yourself next fall. How fearsome will you be then?

Edit:
Also, when you are online you don't have to play. You can kibbitz dan players. Think about where you would play. Much less pressure and instant feedback.

Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:10 pm
by Boidhre
vpopovic wrote:Just now, Valentine2 wanted to undo.
I never ask for undo. I learned that when my dad thaught me to play chess when I was 5. Since then, in no game I ask to undo. I expect the same respect from my opponents.
So, I didn't gave him to undo. He called me noob and resigned.
Is there some weird codex on KGS about undoing that I'm not familiar with?
Would you grant an undo here?
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I'm curious how uncompromising your views are on this. I'd personally grant an undo for the above in a tournament situation, never mind just usual ranked games.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:17 pm
by vpopovic
Bill Spight wrote:vpopovic wrote:Regarding playing much stronger opponents, I've got that weird fear of playing with them. I'll do my best to overcome that.
Well, if things go according to plan, you will be 4 kyu yourself next fall. How fearsome will you be then?

Edit:
Also, when you are online you don't have to play. You can kibbitz dan players. Think about where you would play. Much less pressure and instant feedback.

Thank you. I'll try that.
Re: Project Shodan, KGS nick - Vladimir
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:25 pm
by vpopovic
Boidhre wrote:vpopovic wrote:Just now, Valentine2 wanted to undo.
I never ask for undo. I learned that when my dad thaught me to play chess when I was 5. Since then, in no game I ask to undo. I expect the same respect from my opponents.
So, I didn't gave him to undo. He called me noob and resigned.
Is there some weird codex on KGS about undoing that I'm not familiar with?
Would you grant an undo here?
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I'm curious how uncompromising your views are on this. I'd personally grant an undo for the above in a tournament situation, never mind just usual ranked games.
I would be ashamed to ask for undo myself, even if it's obvious missclick. I lost at least 2 ranked games bc of missclick last year, when I started. Never asked for undo. It would put a stain on my eventual win. Maybe it's stupid, I just feel that way. It's legitimate as any other stand on missclicks and undos.
Due to that, I feel that I have a right not to grant undo.
Missclicks can happen, but it's all go. Sure, mimicks of you opponent, iritating way he breath or any other distracting factors are less then 0.1% of go, but it's also go.
I lost a won game couple of days ago bc of my crappy 3g connection. For me, it's the same bad luck as missclick. But, it happens.