56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

k1ndofblue · Post by **k1ndofblue** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:46 am

Chew Terr wrote:I have had this attachment sequence used against me, and was very intimidated. I believe my opening went up in smoke and down in flames. I am eager to see how both players follow it up.

Yes me too.

SoDesuNe · Post by **SoDesuNe** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:48 am

Aphelion wrote:
SoDesuNe wrote:
Aphelion wrote:To Sodesune:

I don't remotely know what the correct play is here, but your logic would seem to indicate that Black's pincer was wrong, not that White's slide was correct. If S7 is indeed a serious threat to take away potential on the right, then I don't see how allowing for a possible R17 S16 exchange addresses that. Personally, S7 looks to me to be a end game move that I wouldn't want to play for quite a while.

No, I was just saying that if Violence wants to start a fight this is a good way to to do it and that I would not want to make a framework on the side, if I could easily be undercut - now or later. The fourth line Ogeima has enough weaknesses on his own : D
I never intended to mark something wrong or right, I was just telling my thoughts ; )

post scriptum: Yeah, like Bill Spight said, with S7 in mind, respectively with not connecting this cut, the right side is pretty much uninteresting for both sides. On the other hand, if you can't calculate with points there, it's makes the perfect battleground =D

Thats the thing, I don't really see how the slide helps in starting a fight, since Black didn't have to pincer here. He could have simply taken the corner with a 3-3. If black pincered, he would have to think that a fight there favored him. Since the slide still gives the option to Black whether to fight or not and doesn't help with the threat of Black S7 if Black takes the corner simply, I don't see how its a superior move to what Bill mentioned.

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 am

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:43 am

Magicwand wrote:
my group on top right is safe from attack because of a or b meiai.
now let me think how he will answer my attack.
if c: then d
if e: then f
(edit: above points are not final..i am just brainstroming points. i will start to read seriously after his move and make my final decision)
he can try to stablize by attaching to my stone ...but i dont think he will get good result out of that. it's very kyuish.
for whatever happens ...my last move is pretty good move that spilts the white group. i think is was pretty big mistake for him to give me such point.
if he happens to tenuki "g" will be a good point of attack.
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Thanks, Magicwand, this is more of what we Malkovich fans have been expecting.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:52 am

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edit:

edit: reasong why i didnt play "g" to attack his group:
if he play there to beg for his life..he is a sdk. he will not play such awful move.
although it might be good move on black it is not urgent because he will not play there.
i think my knight move attack is all i need to get this game flow to my advantage.
added diag. move 2 = pt g

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:21 am

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Steady... there is not very much profit to be gained from this attack.

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I think this fight is bad for white, so I didn't jump out two spaces. A similar thing happens if I play the jump a line lower.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:26 am

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:27 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:34 am

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:06 am

Trigger...

Rejected.

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:17 am

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how about this trigger ??

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:48 am

I will also reject this one.

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:42 pm

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:46 pm

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daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:48 pm

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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)