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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:19 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This feels more balanced than the one space jump to O7

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:20 am
by TIM82
Skydyr, I'm quite busy with real life at the moment, so moves here may be a bit infrequent, apologies. I would love to continue the game, though.

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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A below is (to me) the most obvious place to start looking for trouble, but on closer look it seems I would not get a good result after black B. So perhaps if I can get a few stones around first? I think I'm not that good at handling moyos like this, but we'll see.

I considered also just taking C, but it seems too unambitious (although very big, as it stops b potential of pushing my bottom group around). Let's just hope B doesn't get time to take C.

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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:43 pm
by TIM82
Some random comments while waiting for skydyr's move

1) I discussed this at our club, and now I think A would probably be better shape than B (as in game). The effect towards right is quite same, but A is much better at stopping any funny attachment reductions on the marked stone. I had originally not considered A at all, but to some guys of similar strenght at the club the answer was trivial.

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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . a b . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . W . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


2) Some followups from current position I considered, let's see what black comes up with:

Next I would trash whichever side w does not protect:
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[go]$$Wcm37
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems to me I can play :w43: ... similar also if black does A-B-C instead of :b40: .
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[go]$$Wcm37
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X c . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . a 1 2 4 . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . b 3 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this :b38: I would probably tenuki to bottom 3-3 point, my two stones on the right side have lots of aji.
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[go]$$Wcm37
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Finally, it seems to me that any moves like A's below would let me take B - not such a goot idea for black?
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[go]$$Wcm37
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X b . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


3) I will try to make a rough count after I see how the current sequence turns out - right now it's too hard to say anything about the right side.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:45 am
by skydyr
I've been fairly busy too and haven't had time to think about this game. I would like to continue playing, even if it's at a slow pace.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd love to hane here, but there's enough aji that I think white could make sabaki whichever way I do it. I'm pretty sure that white can live underneath by attaching as shown with :w6:, for example.

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm considering playing this, to help consolidate the corner and prevent white from making a base. If I can get another move on the right side, I should be able to consolidate a lot of it also, and may end up chasing a weak white group.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:46 pm
by TIM82
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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:14 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm31
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . 0 . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . X O O . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not entirely sure what to play here, but this feels okay.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:21 am
by skydyr
For observers
At what strength do you stop commonly running into situations where you have no idea what to do? Does this at least become less common with time, or does it become more common?

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:53 am
by Bill Spight
skydyr wrote:For observers
At what strength do you stop commonly running into situations where you have no idea what to do? Does this at least become less common with time, or does it become more common?


My definition of shodan used to be that you always had some idea where to play. It might not be the right idea, but at least it was some idea. ;)

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:23 pm
by skydyr
Bill Spight wrote:
skydyr wrote:For observers
At what strength do you stop commonly running into situations where you have no idea what to do? Does this at least become less common with time, or does it become more common?


My definition of shodan used to be that you always had some idea where to play. It might not be the right idea, but at least it was some idea. ;)

Does having lots of ideas of where not to play count? Not pointless moves, but moves that you know weaker players would consider but seem wrong.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:12 am
by TIM82
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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hard to say what's exactly the best place to play. I want to stop black from getting too much on right, and if I manage to take sente from this and take e.g. A below, making miai of B and C, that would make me quite happy. The kind of development I want to awoid is me taking A now, and black following with something like D-(w protects top)-E.

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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . b . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:11 pm
by skydyr
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X 8 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . 6 5 X X . . |
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Peeping this way seems useless.

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$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . |
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Perhaps this way?

I'd like to make white heavier and easier to attack. I'm still not certain how I'd deal with white R10 through, but starting with a hane at R9 followed by a crosscut fight seems normal, given the white stones above.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:55 am
by TIM82
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I remembar having a plan, but it was quite long time ago... Can't remember what it was anymore. Or perhaps I expected something else than what black played?

below is what I now see on the board. Anything else than 45 for me, and black would take 45, and it seems to end bad for me. Let's see where this goes.
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:56 pm
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X 3 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I didn't expect this before connecting, but I suppose it makes sense. It does make a local fight a bit easier on me, as white has more weaknesses.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:10 am
by skydyr
Are we still playing?