To Violence, Daniel, Gresil, Shapenaji, and observers:[EDIT UNhide]There seems to be a forced sequence ahead of us:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O B 6 O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 3 2 1 4 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O B 6 O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 3 2 1 4 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Gresil has obviously seen it, or he would not have made an anti-shape move as the marked stone. I'm willing to assume that both of you older brothers will see all of this too. I suggest that you black players similarly assume that Chew Terr will see this sequnce. I obviously see it, and Shapenaji will also.
I propose that we jump to the above position. Then it would be Terr's move. What do you say?[/hide]
To Terr:
The hidden part above this one is a suggestion that we play what I believe to be a forced sequence of a handful of moves. To suggest it to you with the details would technically be against the rules, although you almost certainly have deduced it yourself already.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:31 am
by Violence
Response:
Er... Daniel hasn't mentioned that sequence, but I guess he will now.
I'm all for it.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:48 am
by Gresil
Joaz:
Sure.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:51 am
by shapenaji
@Joaz
I'm cool with that
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:42 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Let's try something new:
Approved.
Oh. Right.
I'm not sure why I thought this didn't work.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:28 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Ok, thanks to everyone for helping speed up the boring parts.
@Chew Terr: Please read the post at the top of this page. I unhid the relevant part. Assuming that you agree to the shortcut too, we are now here:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
..and it is your move.
( Technically, you do have the option of declining and forcing the opponents to find this sequence bit by bit. )
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:18 am
by daniel_the_smith
Doesn't Violence need to change my move first?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:25 am
by Violence
Haha, I agreed to this sequence.
Don't worry though, I'll be sure to change something later.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:48 pm
by Chew Terr
$$Wc Move 111 W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Move 111 W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Could someone please add the move number and the numbers of captures? I'm afraid to mess it up. Also, Joaz/Shape, feel free to offer any of my analysis as triggers. Just don't do it if it'll help B avoid the numerous
probably flawed
traps therein!
$$Bc 103A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X B . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 9 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc 103A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X B . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 9 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, this is the diagram I posted with my last move. Glad we got this far, now to look at it a bit more.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O b a . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O b a . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
These are the options I'm going to look at, so here goes. a:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X 8 d . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 5 O 2 1 c . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 4 3 6 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X 8 d . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 5 O 2 1 c . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 4 3 6 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
c:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 8 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 5 4 7 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X C 3 6 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X O W . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 2 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 8 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 5 4 7 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X C 3 6 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X O W . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 2 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Option C fails, then. Let's have a look at D. D:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X 3 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 5 e . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 9 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 0 f . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X 3 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 5 e . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 9 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 0 f . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
E:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X z . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 7 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 8 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O 6 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 5 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X W 3 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 0 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X z . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 7 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 8 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O 6 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 5 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X W 3 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 0 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Looks like a ko fight where we have to find the first threat. Obviously there are NO threats this large. However, we could probably live with a small group on top with a threat at 'z'. Even so, this seems like a game-ender... Let's look at option 'f'. F:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 7 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 6 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O 9 5 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 4 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 2 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 8 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 7 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 6 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O 9 5 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 4 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 2 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 8 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, so this looks like a false seki (false because N15 would die eventually). Let's look at a variation within this F. F2:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X C 5 9 | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 4 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 2 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 3 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 6 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 7 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 0 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X C 5 9 | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 4 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 2 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 3 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 6 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 7 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 0 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, so this seems to be either another false seki or another ko we can't win.
b:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Could be followed by this:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 7 6 2 X 4 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 5 1 3 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 7 6 2 X 4 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 5 1 3 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or this:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
10 connects at 3
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
9 at 5, 10 captures, 11 at 'a' kills.
Okay! 'b' looks like it works! I think that my brain is fundamentally unable to process any more/deeper, so I'm going with it! To summarize, here is my plan:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
10 connects at 3
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
9 at 5, 10 captures, 11 at 'a' kills.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:14 pm
by CSamurai
Not for white.
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
8 at 5? Edit. Augh, misread. 5 is still in place.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:30 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve.
I agree with Terr's analysis that all of the other lines don't work. It is not clear to me that this does, but if any line works, this is it.
It depends upon how many liberties we get up top. I've been looking at it a lot. ( "Dear, It's 2:00AM! Will you PLEASE quit playing go and put the laptop away?" ) Sometimes it looks like three liberties, sometimes like four, sometimes like three plus a ko.
If we have enough liberties, we kill. If not, black kills us. The ko that sometimes appears is too complex to be sure of.
And if we do get killed, at least this line enables us to come out of it with a big wall and a chance at grabbing big territory in the lower right:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . 6 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 5 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . 6 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 5 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:14 pm
by shapenaji
Approve
As I remarked previously, I see this ending well for us. This move is correct, though I may have to yank Joaz away from sacking our groups...
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:55 am
by Violence
To White:
Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but can't we just play the only move for black as a trigger and pass it back to you guys? It's not like the only move isn't blatantly obvious here, right?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:14 am
by Chew Terr
One-move trigger for B
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If 1, then 2.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:23 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Violence:
I think that you might need a note to your teammates, because this kind of trigger could inadvertently make people feel like they are being locked out.
If it is ok with all three black players, we'll take Violence's suggestion, add Terr's trigger, which brings us to this:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...which I hereby approve, and then it would be Shapenaji's turn to approve.
I'm going to choose the move that assumes that we lose up top. If we do indeed lose up there, we are going to need every spare stone to have a chance of winning. However, if Shapenaji sees a way of winning up top, we'll be ahead by a bit with a big wall, so the one stone that it costs us when he overrules me won't matter that much. @Shapenaji: Approve if you think we lose the fight, or S10 if you think we can win.
