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#237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

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Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:01 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm21 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want to keep his corner separated from his side group. He can get a large corner, but then I hope to be able to kill his side group. If he connects his side group to safety, I can hopefully kill the corner. Let's see how wrong I am.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:12 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . 1 O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
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Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:36 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think it's crucial to cut his side group off. If he got to play here, I would be in deep trouble.

This will probably be an interesting fight with many variations, and I have no clue who will win.

I also thought about the keima. but it seemed riskier

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:45 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I now regret my previous attachment at R10. It did nothing but make my group heavier and build black's strength. For now, I will tenuki and see if I can stir up trouble elsewhere.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:19 pm
by Bill Spight
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My prediction: The game will not go like this. ;)

Edit: Wrong again. :mrgreen:

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:59 pm
by Uberdude
White f17 is very big now that taking the top right corner means white can answer n16 at o16 to keep black disconnected as he would get cut into two independently alive groups.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:22 am
by tj86430
Its too hot for thinking...

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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . a b . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . c d . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a-d all look reasonable to me. I chose a mainly by intuition, and because I think it might be beneficial to try keep :w33: separated from his tengen stone

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:58 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Lets see if I can live.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:17 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O 6 . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I can do this, but I'm by no means sure. I blame the weather if this turns out to be a terrible mistake

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:43 am
by Bill Spight
I have unhidden note #65.

Thanks, guys! :)

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:01 am
by tj86430
Bill Spight wrote:I have unhidden note #65.

Thanks, guys! :)

never underestimate the power of poor players :D

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:04 pm
by DJLLAP
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[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I will try to live rather than run to the center. It seems much more aggressive and worth doing.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Black: 0 , White: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 6 O X 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 7 4 5 . b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this sequence I expect either a or b. Either I live in gote or I run through his potential territory trying to make another eye or link up.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:23 pm
by Uberdude
White is dreaming.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 0 7 O X 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 8 6 4 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White should have realised something was wrong with his sequence as it would be most unusual to be able to capture something after attaching in your opponent's moyo and your opponent playing okay moves. Otherwise invading moyos would be a lot easier.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:00 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm31 Black: 0 , White: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 8 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought I had read this, but I probably made a mistake somewhere. Lets see.

Re: #237 DJLLAP vs tj86430

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:00 am
by Uberdude
@tj
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