Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:11 pm
Not necessarily.Bki wrote:Playing E16 afterseems really strange to me...
Which must means that
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:36 pm
EdLee wrote:Not necessarily.Bki wrote:Playing E16 after
Which must means that
What I meant was more, that since
at E16 felt inconsistent with the purpose of (well, you could argue that leave aji, but you would get an inferior result compared to at 
anyway, so), yet E16 was also the only local move, then it must mean that was a mistake since it left White with no good options.Obviously, it's come from my limited skills, so I might have missed some variation that make
followed by at E16 an equally as good sequence compared to at D16.Re: Bki's study journal
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:33 am
A short game today. I got a comfortable position during the opening (apart from the bottom right corner, which was not that good, but not a disaster either), invaded, invaded some more, and killed when my opponent tried to invade.
Re: Bki's study journal
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:36 am
Let's continue on the 3-4 variations...
Let's see the knight move, first. The aim of such a move seems clear : lean on the corner, then counter-attack the pincer stone. Possible variations could be
Secure a base in the corner.
Counter-pincer.
Obviously, black might not answer this way. What happens if he push and cut?
The corner die. 9 is unreasonable.
I think the corner may still be killed, but white must first make sure that both of his group do live.
Black a threaten both the cut and capturing two white stone, but it's an acceptable exchange and white hane at b.
What about helping the other side?
I'm pretty sure that white win this.
The hane at D14 instead of
seems to lead to a similar outcome. So black can't capture either group. Black must come back to his corner or see it die. So, cutting here doesn't seems like a reasonable choice.
Edit : Well, apparently josekipedia consider
to be a trick play and the hane is the refutation. I guess not thinking about such moves is why I'm bad at this game 
.
Let's see the knight move, first. The aim of such a move seems clear : lean on the corner, then counter-attack the pincer stone. Possible variations could be
Secure a base in the corner.
Counter-pincer.
Obviously, black might not answer this way. What happens if he push and cut?
The corner die. 9 is unreasonable.
I think the corner may still be killed, but white must first make sure that both of his group do live.
Black a threaten both the cut and capturing two white stone, but it's an acceptable exchange and white hane at b.
What about helping the other side?
one intersection below, black lose the capturing race.I'm pretty sure that white win this.
The hane at D14 instead of
seems to lead to a similar outcome. So black can't capture either group. Black must come back to his corner or see it die. So, cutting here doesn't seems like a reasonable choice.Edit : Well, apparently josekipedia consider
to be a trick play and the hane is the refutation. I guess not thinking about such moves is why I'm bad at this game .Re: Bki's study journal
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:04 am
Bki wrote:A short game today. I got a comfortable position during the opening (apart from the bottom right corner, which was not that good, but not a disaster either), invaded, invaded some more, and killed when my opponent tried to invade.
For the first consideration, at
, I think black needs to pressure the white right side group. I am considering Q10 or R10, but maybe this is a bit too close to white and should be a bit farther away. Either way, I think white will need to respond locally, and then your corner enclosure will already have an extension in place.At
, the game move feels heavy. P8 might be a bit lighter, or you can just take a big point like C6. I think it would be slow for white to try too hard to capture the black stones at this point. 
, while it looks pretty, is also slow and heavy. Black is making a target of his group, while white's strong groups are making easy points.At
you may want to take K16 yourself instead. White can play where black did to reduce, but it's not reducing much since white is already strong there.Following that, I thought the ko was fine, and you clearly had the pulse of the game afterwards where your opponent did not.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 9:54 am
skydyr wrote:For the first consideration, at
I think I considered something like that when reviewing the game afterwards, but dismissed the pincer because my cutting stones were still fairly weak. I didn't think of it as ensuring an extension for my future shimari.
At
Good point. I felt I shouldn't abandon those stones so easily given they were cutting stones, but as I ended up doing just that later in the game anyway...
At
Following that, I thought the ko was fine, and you clearly had the pulse of the game afterwards where your opponent did not.
The problem with the ko is that, had he decided to play the ko, he had threats against my shimari, and against my lower right corner. I have a threat against his top group, and that's all (well, I guess O11 count as a local ko threat, but it make me take a massive loss if I lose that ko)...
Still, it's true that even if he decide to play the ko, I can give atari at P13 and get a slightly lesser result than in the game, but still capture R14.
...
I just finished another game. Two stone as white. I must applaud my opponent for his fighting spirit, even if choosing one of the most complicated joseki that exist may not be the best choice against a stronger opponent (see
). Well, to be fair, I did screw up at 
, but he didn't manage to exploit this fully and I did manage to get an okay result. He could at least have chanced the ko Also, I made a mini-chinese+kobayashi formation, but as I don't know how to play either (and then overplayed)...
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 12:39 pm
Your taisha result seems fine, but it's not what I'd call one-sided. I don't like 
because white doesn't have the option of invading the corner if black invades.
At
or even in place of E6, I think white should have made the corner enclosure. Once black has enough territory, he just needs to live in there order to win.
At
I think the extension just helps black, and white should hane immediately. Extending for 
seems fine also, as black needs to fix shape after. At that point, prior to black's debacle on the right, I don't think white had gained on black at all.
because white doesn't have the option of invading the corner if black invades.At
or even in place of E6, I think white should have made the corner enclosure. Once black has enough territory, he just needs to live in there order to win.At
I think the extension just helps black, and white should hane immediately. Extending for seems fine also, as black needs to fix shape after. At that point, prior to black's debacle on the right, I don't think white had gained on black at all.Re: Bki's study journal
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 1:50 pm
skydyr wrote:Your taisha result seems fine, but it's not what I'd call one-sided. I don't like
Well, I really should not have got as good a result as I got. Failing to reinforce the R4 group meant it was only alive by ko, and this is the first corner of the game so there's no ko threats, so I must chose a ko for which I either have the first capture or more local threat that my opponent (the double hane allowed for this). But even if I win the ko (I should) he can live on both side. And even after he avoided it, he could have gotten another during the capturing race.
Basically, the result in the game was fine. What could have happened had my opponent played better was not
For
, good point. I will try to keep it in mind.At
Hum... Now that I think about it, a high enclosure here does look nice... Though I would be worried about the cut at K15.
At
The hane felt too thin at the time... But it does work fine... I think it would be more my style to hane at D12 if it worked but... No, it doesn't. I have a nice tesuji but the stone at D12 would end up captured.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:37 am
Posting this game without much comments. I just finished it and won't have the time to review it myself immediately (though I will definitely do so this afternoon).
I was very worried when my opponent managed to live in the corner (certainly, I made a blunder at one point and let him live). Thankfully I had a comfortable margin and ended up wining by half a point.
I was very worried when my opponent managed to live in the corner (certainly, I made a blunder at one point and let him live). Thankfully I had a comfortable margin and ended up wining by half a point.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 3:36 am
Some ideas : )
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 4:19 am
First, my own comments :
Black 109 : peep at F10 may have been better? Let a little more weakness for black, maybe.
Black 135 : Bad. After White 136, white can cut at P11 and get two stones. so connecting at P11 directly with 135 would be better. It would also not allow white to reduce B centre territory as much as in the game.
Black 187 : At M7 would be better, as it leave less weakness
Black 223 : The height of silliness. There's no way I can fail to kill if I play D18.
Black 227 : hane instead would kill (though maybe with some fright).
White 230 : Oh my god did he really play that? B17 was instant life.
Black 243 : Why, why, why? Just connect, then his descent isn't sente!
About B3 : I agree, it was big and I failed to play there. Not sure if it was necessary as early as
(my group is not so weak), but later on it would have been bigger than capturing/saving one stone.
On
: I think because of D13, this was not terrible shape. (If D13 hadn't been on the board, there's no way I would have bumped. At least I hope so).
and 
I agree that A was the point for white to play. I just found a play by B there (or at R18 alternatively) to not be so appealing, at least compared to the hane I played.
On White 102 : because of Black B8, I would not be so worried about A
On black 249 : I missed that simply capturing worked. I saw that the capture of the two stones didn't make a true eye, but I had considered C19 as the play to kill earlier and it didn't work anymore (as there's miai between capturing A18 and making an eye with the two captured stones), so I didn't search any further.
Black 109 : peep at F10 may have been better? Let a little more weakness for black, maybe.
Black 135 : Bad. After White 136, white can cut at P11 and get two stones. so connecting at P11 directly with 135 would be better. It would also not allow white to reduce B centre territory as much as in the game.
Black 187 : At M7 would be better, as it leave less weakness
Black 223 : The height of silliness. There's no way I can fail to kill if I play D18.
Black 227 : hane instead would kill (though maybe with some fright).
White 230 : Oh my god did he really play that? B17 was instant life.
Black 243 : Why, why, why? Just connect, then his descent isn't sente!
SoDesuNe wrote:
Some ideas : )
About B3 : I agree, it was big and I failed to play there. Not sure if it was necessary as early as
(my group is not so weak), but later on it would have been bigger than capturing/saving one stone.On
: I think because of D13, this was not terrible shape. (If D13 hadn't been on the board, there's no way I would have bumped. At least I hope so). and I agree that A was the point for white to play. I just found a play by B there (or at R18 alternatively) to not be so appealing, at least compared to the hane I played.On White 102 : because of Black B8, I would not be so worried about A
On black 249 : I missed that simply capturing worked. I saw that the capture of the two stones didn't make a true eye, but I had considered C19 as the play to kill earlier and it didn't work anymore (as there's miai between capturing A18 and making an eye with the two captured stones), so I didn't search any further.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:06 pm
General comment: Black's style in this game was to play rather thinly, and then try to be very careful later.
I can't really recommend this as an approach in an even game (with White against a handicap one understands why). White had good chances.
I can't really recommend this as an approach in an even game (with White against a handicap one understands why). White had good chances.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 5:05 am
Charles Matthews wrote:General comment: Black's style in this game was to play rather thinly, and then try to be very careful later.
I can't really recommend this as an approach in an even game (with White against a handicap one understands why). White had good chances.
Thanks for the comment. I didn't realize my game was that thin, so it's very much appreciated.
As for today's game... I made some good gains in the opening, but also some questionable plays that led to a fight between three weak groups, two of which were mine. Thankfully they both lived, and my lead was solid enough to ensure my win.
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:15 am
Well, this game is quite short, and maybe not particularly interesting (apart from the taisha), except for it being my first game as a 4 kyu on KGS.
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:58 am
Two other games today.
The first was not very well played :
The second was a fun, messy game, but I could have had an easy win had I played either
or 
160 better.
So this make 2 win for 1 loss as a 4k so far. Let's hope this ratio will not deteriorate with more games.
The first was not very well played :
The second was a fun, messy game, but I could have had an easy win had I played either
or 160 better.So this make 2 win for 1 loss as a 4k so far. Let's hope this ratio will not deteriorate with more games.