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Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:47 pm
by yoyoma
(;EV[2nd Mlily Cup, final 2]
DT[2015-12-31]
PB[Ke Jie]BR[9p]
PW[Lee Sedol]WR[9p]
KM[7.5]RE[B+R]
SO[Go4Go.net]
;B[pd];W[dd];B[qp];W[dq];B[oq];W[qf];B[nc];W[qo];B[po];W[qn];B[pp];W[pj];B[co];W[pn];B[cf];W[fc];B[bd];W[cc];B[ci];W[rd];B[qc];W[ep];B[pi];W[qj];B[pg];W[rh];B[hc];W[df];B[dg];W[ef];B[dh];W[md];B[mc];W[kd];B[he];W[pf];B[bc];W[hg];B[je];W[kg];B[lf];W[kf];B[ke];W[le];B[mf];W[nd];B[od];W[ne];B[lc];W[ld];B[ig];W[ih];B[gg];W[if];B[hf];W[jg];B[hh];W[ig];B[gc];W[fd];B[nf];W[oe];B[of];W[pe];B[jb];W[jc];B[jd];W[kc];B[kb];W[gh];B[oj];W[ok];B[nj];W[nk];B[mj];W[mk];B[lj];W[id];B[iq];W[dn];B[cn];W[dm];B[bq];W[kq];B[gq];W[ko];B[go];W[hp];B[gp];W[fn];B[cr];W[ph];B[hm];W[kl];B[gl];W[cp];B[bp];W[do];B[el];W[bm];B[gf];W[hi];B[ie];W[oh];B[ij];W[jj];B[jk];W[kk];B[fh];W[fi];B[cb];W[db];B[cd];W[dc];B[bb];W[gb];B[hb];W[ga];B[bk];W[ck];B[bj];W[cq];B[fr];W[er];B[fq];W[ek];B[fk];W[hn];B[gn];W[fm];B[ej];W[gm];B[im];W[hl];B[fl];W[in];B[il];W[ip];B[jr];W[dl];B[eq];W[dr];B[br];W[dj];B[ei];W[em];B[dk];W[cm];B[ao];W[ek];B[fj];W[bl];B[kr];W[gj];B[gi];W[an];B[bo];W[fi];B[kj];W[ji];B[lh];W[fg];B[gi];W[hq];B[hr];W[fi];B[eh];W[jq];B[ir];W[lg];B[mg];W[nh];B[dk];W[ar];B[aq];W[ek];B[mh];W[hk];B[hj];W[ii];B[ik];W[gi];B[gk];W[kh];B[dk];W[al];B[bn];W[ek];B[qg];W[qh];B[dk];W[oc];B[pc];W[ek];B[ic];W[lq];B[dk];W[lr];B[fs];W[ek];B[rf];W[rg];B[dk];W[ds];B[cs];W[ek];B[re];W[og];B[dk];W[gd];B[hd];W[ek];B[eb];W[nr];B[or];W[rp];B[rq];W[ro];B[dk];W[ks];B[js])
http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... =1&cmt_n=0A few things Lee Seedol said from the article:
Of all the world finals I've played, this is the biggest reversal (losing a game you were winning) I've suffered.
Why didn't I see "that" move, I had 4 one minute byo-yomi periods left...
There were many roads to victory.
The simplest method was what the Wbaduk commentator Youngho Heo showed.
I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:35 pm
by trout
yoyoma wrote:I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.
Look at the last board of next link.
http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... num=521166
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:22 pm
by yoyoma
trout wrote:yoyoma wrote:I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.
Look at the last board of next link.
http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... num=521166
Thanks. So it was White's move 130 (not W128) that should be E10.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:49 am
by trout
The final 3rd game,
Ke Jie(w) defeated Lee Sedol(b) by resign.
Ke Jie vs Lee Sedol - 2:1
12/30/15 1st game 10:30 am Choi Cheolhan 9p review
12/31/15 2nd game 10:30 am Heo Youngho 9p
1/2/16 3rd game 10:30 am Cho Hanseung 9p
1/4/16 4th game 10:30 am Lee Younggoo 9p (Just finished his Military compulsory duty.)
1/5/16 5th game 10:30 am ???????
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:12 am
by Uberdude
I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:21 am
by Jhyn
Uberdude wrote:I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.
They are definitely not accurate. More than once Lee Sedol was shown with no time left (0 seconds, last overtime) for a while. This being said, I agree that Ke seems to be playing faster than Lee in the middlegame.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:39 am
by macelee
Ke Jie indeed played much faster. Lee Sedol was in byo-yomi when Ke Jie started the ko fight (around move 120). Ke Jie had more than 1.5 hours left when the game completed.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:30 pm
by joppon
Uberdude wrote:
I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.
In game 2 W38, if memory serves, seemed to surprise Ke Jie. He spent 20 minutes on it. So by the time Ke was in byoyomi Lee Sedol had about 20 minutes left, and had plenty of time to carefully read.
In game 3 Lee Sedol's blunder was, apparently, B23. Which Ke Jie tenukied. Before that Lee spent no more than five minutes on a move. For B23 he spent at least 20 minutes and subsequently spent at least ten minutes on many moves throughout. By the time they broke for lunch Lee had spent about 2 hrs whilst Ke had spent about 13 minutes.
Assuming wbaduk's timing was correct.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:48 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
GAME 3
(;FF[4]GM[1]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]SO[gokifu.com]BC[kr]WC[cn]EV[]PB[Lee Sedol]BR[9p]PW[Ke Jie]WR[9p]KM[7.5]DT[2016-01-02]RE[W+R];B[pd];W[dd];B[qp];W[dq];B[oq];W[qf];B[nc];W[qo];B[po];W[qn];B[pp];W[pj];B[do];W[gq];B[cf];W[fc];B[bd];W[cc];B[ci];W[pn];B[cq];W[cr];B[hc];W[co];B[dp];W[cp];B[bq];W[cn];B[dr];W[eq];B[er];W[br];B[fq];W[ep];B[fp];W[eo];B[fo];W[dn];B[gr];W[nn];B[pi];W[qi];B[qh];W[ph];B[oi];W[rh];B[nm];W[oj];B[mn];W[no];B[on];W[om];B[oo];W[ol];B[mm];W[io];B[iq];W[qc];B[qd];W[rd];B[oh];W[qg];B[pc];W[rb];B[qb];W[rc];B[he];W[md];B[nd];W[mf];B[me];W[le];B[ne];W[kg];B[kc];W[ko];B[lp];W[jq];B[jr];W[kq];B[bc];W[df];B[dg];W[ef];B[eg];W[gf];B[fg];W[ge];B[cl];W[jm];B[ig];W[gg];B[ii];W[if];B[hm];W[jk];B[kj];W[ll];B[nk];W[hl];B[ok];W[pk];B[pl];W[ql];B[gm];W[nj];B[nl];W[pm];B[gh];W[im];B[gb];W[ie];B[ld];W[kd];B[lc];W[kr];B[mr];W[dl];B[dk];W[ek];B[el];W[fl];B[dm];W[em];B[ir];W[dl];B[gl];W[hk];B[el];W[jc];B[jd];W[id];B[jb];W[dl];B[hd];W[hh];B[hi];W[je];B[gk];W[hg];B[ih];W[hf];B[el];W[gi];B[fh];W[dl];B[mk];W[jj];B[ji];W[ki];B[lf];W[gj];B[kh];W[li];B[lh];W[lg];B[mh];W[mi];B[hj];W[fj];B[og];W[kf];B[el];W[jg];B[ej];W[jh];B[fk];W[ij];B[ic];W[ro];B[rp];W[bl];B[bk];W[cm];B[dl];W[ms];B[ls];W[mq];B[nq];W[mp];B[mo];W[lq];B[np];W[bm];B[bs];W[bp];B[cs];W[aq];B[pb];W[bb];B[db];W[cb];B[fb];W[ec];B[ce];W[ks];B[ns];W[sp];B[sq];W[so];B[rq];W[nh];B[ng];W[mg];B[ip];W[ho];B[jp];W[kp];B[eb];W[hp];B[jo];W[jn];B[hq];W[ak];B[aj];W[al];B[bj];W[lk];B[lm];W[km];B[lo];W[kn];B[gp];W[ra];B[fm];W[pf];B[oe];W[jd];B[cd];W[dc];B[en];W[ab];B[pg];W[qh];B[ni];W[mh];B[mj];W[lj])
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:59 pm
by trout
The lopsided time remaining is due to Lunch hour(1 hour) not added to whoever was supposed to play after Lunch.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:20 pm
by yoyoma
http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... =1&cmt_n=0During the game review Lee Sedol was sad that he didn't play 109 at J7 to destroy white's shape, instead of blocking at G12. You can see diagrams of this in the article above.
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:22 am
by trout
The final 4th game,
Lee Sedol(w) defeated Ke Jie(b) by resign.
Ke Jie vs Lee Sedol - 2:2
12/30/15 1st game 10:30 am Choi Cheolhan 9p review
12/31/15 2nd game 10:30 am Heo Youngho 9p
1/2/16 3rd game 10:30 am Cho Hanseung 9p
1/4/16 4th game 10:30 am Lee Younggoo 9p (Just finished his Military compulsory duty.)
1/5/16 5th game 10:30 am ???????
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:53 am
by wineandgolover
AGA's broadcast of game four was great. They will broadcast the final game live as well.
If F6 was indeed a joseki mistake, that's at least the second time recently that Ke Jie has fallen behind because somebody played an old joseki. Youth has its advantages, and I guess it's drawbacks, too.
I am looking forward to the final game!
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:50 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Game 4
(;FF[4]GM[1]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]SO[gokifu.com]BC[cn]WC[kr]EV[]PB[Ke Jie]BR[9p]PW[Lee Sedol]WR[9p]KM[7.5]DT[2016-01-04]RE[W+R];B[pd];W[dd];B[qp];W[dq];B[oq];W[qf];B[nc];W[qo];B[po];W[qn];B[pp];W[pj];B[do];W[pn];B[cq];W[cr];B[cp];W[er];B[ck];W[fc];B[fq];W[ep];B[gp];W[eo];B[gn];W[gm];B[hn];W[hq];B[fr];W[hp];B[ho];W[jp];B[lq];W[lp];B[mp];W[lo];B[kq];W[jn];B[hm];W[em];B[cm];W[nn];B[ek];W[fk];B[hk];W[ej];B[fl];W[dk];B[el];W[dl];B[fn];W[dm];B[en];W[dn];B[cn];W[bq];B[bp];W[aq];B[cl];W[fm];B[gl];W[dj];B[ci];W[dh];B[jm];W[il];B[hl];W[kl];B[km];W[lm];B[ll];W[kn];B[mm];W[ln];B[kk];W[im];B[jj];W[jk];B[ik];W[jl];B[kj];W[of];B[gd];W[ch];B[bi];W[gc];B[di];W[fh];B[ee];W[ff];B[de];W[fe];B[ed];W[fd];B[dc];W[lc];B[rd];W[cd];B[ce];W[cc];B[ec];W[be];B[bf];W[bd];B[cf];W[ii];B[ij];W[cb];B[eh];W[eg];B[ei];W[fi];B[db];W[bb];B[qh];W[ph];B[pi];W[oi];B[qi];W[qj];B[rj];W[rk];B[rf];W[rg];B[pg];W[pf];B[oh];W[ni];B[nh];W[mi];B[mh];W[li];B[mf];W[dp];B[co];W[me];B[le];W[nf];B[lg];W[md];B[jh];W[ke];B[mk];W[re];B[qc];W[ok];B[if];W[ie];B[hf];W[kf];B[gg];W[fg];B[lf];W[kg];B[ld];W[kc];B[hc];W[ic];B[id];W[he];B[jc];W[kd])
Re: MLily main tournament
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:09 pm
by mhlepore
wineandgolover wrote:AGA's broadcast of game four was great. They will broadcast the final game live as well.
If F6 was indeed a joseki mistake, that's at least the second time recently that Ke Jie has fallen behind because somebody played an old joseki. Youth has its advantages, and I guess it's drawbacks, too.
I am looking forward to the final game!
Didn't watch the AGA broadcast - F6 was really called a
joseki mistake? I would have thought this was well beyond the joseki.