I went over this in my last video and I truly feel there isn't much to discuss here beyond what I've already said to merit another video. I'll reconsider this proposition after I'm done with classes and add another video here if I think I'm wrong.
No sense pushing my luck here. White has no weakness to attack, it's only black that can get cut up. This also makes me a bit thicker, and white doesn't get to peep at N13.
Well he's done a good job building a position I am not familiar with. Perfect
I don't want to give him a second big corner, so I invade. And I don't think whatever thickness he gets in return will be a big deal, with the thick capture and left side hoshi stone there for black.
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:32 am
by topazg
To Araban:
I'm surprised Black played M14 straight away - Doesn't Q14 fix the cut (so N14 isn't needed), and potentially do so in sente while starting to develop the right hand side? It felt like a no brainer from my humble observer point of view!
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:53 am
by Solomon
topazg wrote:To Araban:
I'm surprised Black played M14 straight away - Doesn't Q14 fix the cut (so N14 isn't needed), and potentially do so in sente while starting to develop the right hand side? It felt like a no brainer from my humble observer point of view!
Yep, I expressed similar sentiments in the video commentary for Move 29 - 33 at the 5:15 mark where I threw in the annotation. Here are some variations I would have considered as B that I didn't mention in the video:
If I tenuki after 1 instead, then B can utilize the bad aji in the corner to make appropriate forcing moves that will allow Black to not worry about netting and make my two stones "naturally useless":
$$c Up to 9, White can't get both good points 'a' and 'b'. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . a . . . 9 . . X X O O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O . . . . . . . O X O O 4 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 3 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
If I don't play 8, then a->8->b looks troublesome.
Note: 3:00am here taking the occasional homework breaks, so if something feels off I'll edit later after homework submission and the epic sleep after all-nighter .
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:53 pm
by Solomon
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . W . . . . . . X X O O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
Unfortunately, it seems research on this corner enclosure is extremely scarce and very little information can be found on it.
But regardless, it's not quite the same because Black invaded first before I had a chance to build the formation. When reading about the 3-5 + 5-5 "enclosure" I played, it seems that there is no information regarding the 3-3 invasion: http://senseis.xmp.net/?3555Enclosure - This kind of goes with my hunch that I mentioned in my video that the 3-3 invasion was a tad too deep. The aji at the 4-4 point is obvious from a double-peep, and with some room in the corner for maneuverability, it is unreasonable to expect killing the stone. There is a very simple and clean variation that ensure Black's life fairy quickly, but we'll see how Black plays first. My aim is as much "profit" as possible with sente.
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:12 am
by zinger
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . X X O O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . X X O O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
.. to make life in there, or break out. I choose the attachment at E18 rather than B15, because if white gets thick facing the top side it's no big deal, since I also have thickness there. But white thickness facing the left would be more of a problem for me.
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:58 am
by HKA
Regarding the pillbox formation - there is an excellent article by Lee Chang Ho in one of Yutopian's "Go Winds" pamphlets. Sorry, I cannot recall which one.
Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:45 pm
by Solomon
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . X X O O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
