I just looked at a bunch of variations. It seems that if I answer B16 at A18, there are no real problems ... unless I'm misreading a lot.
Emerus: It's fine if you look at loons' question.
Re: 92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:11 pm
by Loons
Redundant, cont.
I was over-estimating this genre of result for black, perhaps (which you dealt with slightly differently). Hm, I just moved a stone from a to 10. Hmmm.
$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 6 5 O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | a 9 7 4 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 0 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Choices? Yeah I'm going to tenuki so I guess I have a few...
From here on, I will try to list 3 moves that I consider and here they are: I want to find the open areas on the board and make it hard for white to find a good approach or invasion. So I choose to enclose the right corner.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . c . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . W . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm aiming to build a position here to attack his K17 stones. Either that, or I get the corner.
Re: 92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:19 pm
by Puppycakes
White's last move was tiny. The follow-up that he chose not to play was worth perhaps 9 points because of the fact that it negates the need for him to win the capture race and maybe a bit more because it takes away a couple of black forcing moves. But that would still mean that it would be two plays to take maybe 15 points.
And he didn't play the follow-up, so as it stands, his last move simply lost him sente and has netted him zero points.
Re: 92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:23 pm
by emerus
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . B . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O b . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . c a . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Playing tenuki is practically out of the question. I think that A gives white the least chance to make sabaki with squeezes that are quite often seen in variations after B. C, on the other hand - gives white the chance to live in the corner and I'd rather it not be that easy for white. I can not see a good white response.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . 1 3 4 5 . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . 7 . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O W 1 2. | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . X 3 . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As planned except I realize that trying to defend my corner is small and goes against my initial idea of making it hard for white to invade the right easily.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O W 1 2 . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . a . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . W . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm aiming at his floating stones. I played close here to keep away from the stones I wish to attack ... as paradoxical as it seems. I looked at this move, but judged that black attaching was too good.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . 1 . . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . 2 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . B O . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't help but feeling like this is super optimistic + overplay by white. Will post variations at the end of the day. I just want to keep the game moving along for now.
Re: 92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:35 am
by Redundant
$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . X O . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . W . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . X O . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . W . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If he hane's underneath, I'll connect out. If he makes the tiger's mouth, I extend up. If he crosscuts, I've found a variation that I like, but will have to look deeper.
Re: 92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:39 am
by topazg
@Red:
Had you considered this (or even the extension)?
$$cm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . O O X O . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . X O . . X X . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . W . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X O X X O . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------