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Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:46 pm
by Phelan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm10 Move 10... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(10) W-10(6)
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I picked this one because I didn't like the cap:
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[go]$$Wcm10 The cap I didn't like
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I'm expecting Black to play on either a or b. Both corner approaches that coordinate well with their other stones.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:25 pm
by Marcus
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:57 pm
by jts
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[go]$$Wcm10 Move 10... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(10) W-10(6)
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Basic intuition about the opening suggests a or b; it's the emptiest place on the board. The logic of our position in the upper left suggests c, d, or e, to put ourselves in the position to build a loose moyo. I'll try not to think too hard about this one.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:01 pm
by jts
While we wait for Violence: other moves I'm considering are somewhere around n17/o17 and k3. Ideally what I'd like is to approach the upper left from somewhere around f17 and be left with influence facing right along the top; that would be an extremely efficient use of our stones. However, for precisely that reason W would almost certainly pincer us to prevent that. G17 is harder to pincer, but really wimpy in that it doesn't threaten the corner at all; if I'm not going to threaten the corner I might as well play somewhere around O17. And I have no idea how high-approach, pincer josekis go.

So do we want a nice boxy moyo on the right? We do, but it's gote and seems slightly overconcentrated to me. I like the look of the board after Bc10, Wo17 more than after Bo17, Wc10.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:59 pm
by Aphelion
Jts:
You are already thinking too hard

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:49 pm
by jts
Aphelion wrote:Jts:
You are already thinking too hard

My stock in trade! :mrgreen:

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:53 am
by Violence
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:31 am
by jts
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[go]$$Wcm10 Move 11... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(9) W-10(6)
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:49 pm
by dangomango
approved

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:52 pm
by Shaddy
approved

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:19 pm
by Phelan
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[go]$$Wcm10 Move 12... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(9) W-10(5)
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I've been thinking about this move since jts posted his, and this was the first that came to me. It neutralizes black's possible moyo at the top. Approaching seems too open to attack, so something like this is better.
An alternative I considered was playing the same at the bottom, but the top is worth more.

Something I used to do when I was a beginner was to approach the C10 stone immediately, as if it was an invasion of my territory. Now it seems that letting the rest of the board develop before approaching is a better strategy. I'm not sure about this, so feel free to correct me.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:43 pm
by Marcus
Approved.

I don't see anything wrong with this idea. We broke up the right side, Black breaks up the left side, the top and bottom are the two widest spaces left. Of those, the top is slightly wider. In addition, this move supports an approach to the 4-4 in the upper right. The lower right is an enclosure that's not easily approached from the bottom side, so I prefer playing the top instead.

I might play K16 instead as a personal preference, but it's not worth a correction point (even if Black seems to be throwing theirs away. ;) )

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:15 pm
by Violence
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:52 pm
by jts
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm10 Move 13... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(8) W-10(5)
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm10 Move 12... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(9) W-10(5)
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I'm aiming for this. After W18, I don't think W will respond to B19 at c, so I'll be looking at a and b as big points. If W refuses to treat his corners as urgent, the double approaches are big.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:09 pm
by dangomango
approved
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