Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:19 pm
by Magicwand
wow..Shaddy is so kyuish. i can not tell who is 4 kyu from this game. i am thinking he is more like 2 kyu than 1 dan. in this game black is still ahead and 40 point komi? impossible win for white.
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:06 pm
by Shaddy
Oh crap, sorry. I missed your response, thinking it would have gone on page 4.
[go]$$Bcm43 Move: 43 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Here goes nothing! My last look at this position had White jumping into the corner. However, it's quite possible that White will jump out, or lean on my group. I haven't really decided how I want to handle that either, beyond my initial response.
$$Bcm43 Jump Out $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm45 Move: 45 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Uh oh ... The fight begins. I'm no longer worried about territory with this group. If I have to, I'll run across the board to connect with my left side.
He's likely to next attack my lower left group.
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:39 pm
by Shaddy
$$Wcm46 Move: 46 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O . X . 1 . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm46 Move: 46 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . c . O . . O O X , a . . | $$ | . . O . O . X . b . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'd like to be able to get a in sente. This move would get rid of some troublesome aji in the corner, but it's not really sente- black can just jump out again, and he's almost connected to the weak group on the bottom, and then I have to connect underneath (or what was the point of playing a?). So I think I should play c or b to harass the bottom group, and get a later. The problem seems to me to be a matter of timing, and I'll need to watch carefully for the right time to get a. As to which of c or b to get.. seems to me, b is better. c allows him to settle down pretty well on the bottom, while b chases him out into the center so I can launch a splitting attack. The only concern is that he may abandon the group as being too small.
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:48 pm
by Marcus
$$Bcm47 Move: 47 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O 1 X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm47 Move: 47 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O 2 O 1 X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Of course, White gets the advantage of gaining a splitting attack against my two groups ... but I'll just have to sit tight and hold on to what I can. How did I get myself into this?
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:31 am
by Shaddy
$$Wcm48 Move: 48 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm49 Move: 49 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Nice move by my opponent! He's looking to perform a splitting attack on my groups. It took me a while to decide how best to handle this, as I don't know if I can really save both groups of stones.
I wonder if there's any way he can keep my bottom group from escaping ...
$$Bcm1 Dreaming ... definitely unlikely to happen $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 8 . . 1 . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . 7 6 3 . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O 5 4 2 . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O 9 O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm49 Try #3 - White keeps me running with both groups. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 6 . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 4 1 . X 7 X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . 5 3 2 . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . . . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are too many ways this could go very badly for me. Guess I can fight it out, and see how badly I do. I suppose I could abandon my stones in the lower left ... I have a 40 point reverse komi after all ... but where's the fun in that? I'm still treating this game as an even one, and I guess I'll make my mistakes and see what happens.
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:18 pm
by Shaddy
$$Wcm50 Move: 50 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . 1 . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm52 Move: 52 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . 1 X . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . . O . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Aw crap, horrible misread. I went through this variation and thought "oh, this is ok, I can just capture that stone I've clamped." I think I can still turn it to my advantage though.. that knight's move connection is just begging to be cut.
Re: Malkovich #28 - Shaddy (W, 1d) vs Marcus (B, 4k) - 0H -4
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 5:01 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm53 Move: 53 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . 1 O . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm53 Move: 53 - Black Prisoners: 0 - White Prisoners: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . 1 O . O . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now my groups will be separated. This is what I expected to happen, really. My groups are both still weak (and I still have the weak group on the upper right, too), but jumping to J6 was done to give my lower right group more space to run.
Here's how I think it's going to continue:
$$Bcm53 One group gets out of danger $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . X . . 5 . . . . . . . X X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 3 4 X . X . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . O X 2 . . . . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . X , O . 1 O . O . . O O X , 6 . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------