Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Tue May 17, 2011 10:56 am

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Not the only way to move ahead of Black, but this fairly ordinary-looking reply is probably best in this case. Slow and steady wins the race; not the race to get ahead on the bottom, but the race to tenuki and continue up top with hane. The solid move makes it hardest for White to ignore (the corner would be hurt more), and tends to give me a reasonably solid group. What I really don't want is for Black to take sente easily:

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White's extra weakness toward the corner with the possibility of stuff like Black atari at c) makes it tough to adequately punish the corner. Moves like a) and b) are roughly Black's miai; I get an outside position but it's hard to use it now that Black has made the outside solid. The low stable Black stones check against efficient White extensions along the sides.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Tue May 17, 2011 2:57 pm

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parliament · Post by **parliament** » Wed May 18, 2011 4:45 pm

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I'm resisting, I'm trying to use the cut. As I was saying, I don't like it if I make a nice thickish shape but Black just takes sente:

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I don't quite like switching to the bottom, either, for a similar reason:

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The profit for Black looks very huge on the left, considering how hard it looks to move the White stones.

So I resist. Whether I'm probing or fighting, I must choose a move with a strong followup, because Black can easily attack my shape locally and that's a punishment in itself. Leaning on the pincer stone is a natural candidate because it can help provide aji to help my left side stone so that I can try to forgo direct reinforcement. However I don't like it if Black just plays simply:

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It feels like I must still switch to the bottom with :w49:

. The attachment doesn't look very effective now. It's just cut off.

So I'm attaching on the other side, to try to use the aji of the cut. Whatever Black does I will probably fight to get a position on the top part, which could make the stone on the bottom part easy to discard.

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Of course I will be willing to use the cutting point on :bs:

here to take a position using :ws:

if need be. :w49:

looks pretty useful with respect to the cut on top.

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I think I can resist this kind of hane, too. the hane underneath at a) is probably enough to live if I need it.

But I'm basically just fighting to try to bring the game closer. In other words, here goes nothing.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:18 pm

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:23 am

I've been visiting my dad in the hospital with renal failure. It may be a bit before I have time and energy to post here.

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:55 pm

Best wishes to your father and yourself.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed May 25, 2011 3:09 am

Thanks for the wishes. I'll have to continue going slow, but I feel like this is an ok reprieve for a moment. So I'll place my move.

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My last move threatened a cut. He responded with a move that asked me exactly how bad that cut would be. It's a tough question. Two things come to mind: I must make the threat to cut meaningful to make my last move worth playing. If I can't, it was an overplay. And I must makes sure that :bc:

are able to live.

a, b, c, d, and e. flashed in my mind pretty much in that order. b and c were just about simultaneous.

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a is simple. It makes the threat to cut bigger. If I cut after a, his stones are in trouble. It makes a big difference. The downside is that it does the least to protect the :bc:

stones. I like it because it also helps my outside influence which I think is pretty good at this point in the game.

It's a problem if I have to live with :b7:

and

.

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b invites a crosscut after which he'd get to strengthen one side or the other. He'll either make my threat to cut weaker or he'll get seal in my top right stones.

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O B O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . B B B O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . B B O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . B O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 O 1 . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . 5 X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

b Makes my head spin really. I see all kinds of alternatives and I have no idea which is best.

c is too low. It is submissive. He can just ignore it and be happy that I played such a worthless move. If I had a giant and I mean giant lead, I might consider such a move.

d is also too low. And it has the same issue as b.

e is the type of fancy move that I'm never quite sure about. I think that in most cases, it just invites the opponent to give you bad shape . If he just extends, it is like he peeped and I ignored and he pushed. For beginners:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm1 $$. . X . . $$. O X O . $$. . O . .[/go]

The above is usually bad shape for white. Black has two cutting points to exploit.

Anyhow, so after much head spinning trying to figure out if I could get a good result from b, I decided to go with a.

To Stronger Players:

To Weaker or even Players:

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Wed May 25, 2011 2:58 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . d . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O a . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . b X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Basically my choices for this move are things like a) and b), or things like c) and d). Anything else is neither here nor there; Black will fix the cut and I won't have a strong enough followup with respect to the two Black stones. a) and b) are bad, in the sense that I don't want to play such moves until I have to. The general pattern is that these are kikashi from the inside, and the outside moves that Black gets in exchange are nice. More specifically, a) leads to hane at the head of two is bad shape for me, b) induces Black to take a good tiger mouth shape while damaging :ws:

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It's better to leave these possibilities open and unplayed, if possible; besides there are other ways still that I might try to threaten breaking out, for example:

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So using the cut directly is a desirable rythm, now. If I play inside,

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm49 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . 4 X O 5 X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 6 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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is really really bad news for White. Connecting solidly is just heavy, but I'm about to be captured directly. At any rate, I can't block Black from expanding the eyespace. This would be horrible.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm49 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . b 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . a X O 3 X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

To put it more bluntly, you don't want to answer Black a) in the diagram above with White b) .

It's true that I can think about this other variation, too:

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But it's the same possibility in both variations, no?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm49 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Thus it's better to hane from the outside.

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Wed May 25, 2011 3:21 pm

Tough spot for White and Black depending on how they respond to each other. I'm prefacing all my comments with the fact I think generally White isn't in a good position so he is only going to get so much.

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The tesuji here is to cut. Now if White plays A then Black B and if White C then Black D. Black can connect his inner group and his center group at the loss of a stone. White's shape would be stronger.

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White might be able to squeeze out of the way. Btw 6 is mandatory.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . 7 . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 2 O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . 4 X O 5 X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 6 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

With no ladder or net or squeeze play to catch the 3 middle white stones, White captures black in snapback.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed May 25, 2011 10:46 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Thu May 26, 2011 4:11 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X O . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O O . . X O . O . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . X . O . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . X . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's basically the only move. I want power, I need to keep the attacking pressure on Black's two stones, therefore I can't play the other atari to live submissively while Black builds the outside even more (and my lower left stones get punished). I'm playing atari on the outside stone for thickness. I fully expect this much to happen:

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...but you never know, Black may nobi or something. Of course the line that I have read out is a bit longer than this, but since we are for the most part going to be fighting tactically for the next few moves, I'll explain each bit of reading as we come to it; there's not too much else to explain.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:32 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:36 am

for obs only:

parliament · Post by **parliament** » Thu May 26, 2011 12:37 pm

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Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:09 am

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Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament