The previous match between these two players was played from 9 february till 19 march. Also then Araban was black and the first 3 moves were identical. Then MW played hoshi in the empty corner as he always does as white, he wrote, whatever blacks strategy. In the new game I would have preferred the colors reversed. Araban resigned after 110 moves. It seems he thought he the game was not decided until a fatal oversight of him. MW thought he (White) was already in control. Anyway it was an exciting game with a too sudden end. I promise I won't urge Araban to move again .
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:06 am
by Magicwand
i do not have the control yet but i feel i am not losing
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:07 am
by Solomon
I intended to do hole myself in the library over the weekend for my microecon exam this week...but instead I went to Kim Myungwan's lecture+simul and went to a bar to watch SC2 -__-. So I'll be gone for a bit today and tomorrow.
Sometimes the best way to figure out where you want to play is to put yourself in your opponent's shoes and see where he'd like to play if you didn't play in the area of interest. In this case:
This would be painful for me. So by jumping, not only am I keeping my group safe, but also making it harder for him to gain control of the center + his group on the right is still not totally safe. Neither is his group on the left.
It seems the last players to use this board didn't get all the stones back in the right bowls...
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:45 pm
by Magicwand
daniel_the_smith wrote:It seems the last players to use this board didn't get all the stones back in the right bowls...
yea..i fixed it.
i am going as i planned. still i dont see myself ahead..but i am not behind. below is what i expect from my opponent. i want him to jump into my influence on left or bottom. that way i can attack and get ahead.
SOS, going down, going down. Jump Araban, jump. (just some random remarks, not to be taken seriously )
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:21 pm
by Solomon
Well I did say I was going to be a gone for a bit yesterday and today . Actually right now I'm just sulking over my poor exam performance after I took the exam a few hours ago at the time of this writing. I'm going to go to the teacher and see if I can make a compromise of sorts.
This reasoning behind this move is very simple. I don't want him to get the corner, as that will not only stabilize his group, but give him a good chunk of cash as well. Sometimes it's possible to play elsewhere after making this kind of exchange, but in this case I think we can expect MW to pull back and save the stone. It establishes a base.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:05 pm
by yithril
@obs
I want to preface the following statements with the fact that I think so far everything is pretty even, and neither player seems ahead. I have a few stylistic differences with White and I feel uncomfortable dividing the top into a series of running battles. I just feel that there may be a better way to utilize all of his stones globally.
I might play at 1 to emphasize using White's lower right stones. The reason for that is this: I know the top Black group can be squeezed and pushed into my influence. At the same time, I don't see the real benefit of that with Black's upper left 3-4 point. I feel like White running Black into the center diminishes his investment in the upper right. Black will stabilize the center group, it's 80% stable as it is. Some might say I would be ceding the top, but If I get the chance to play a big spot on the left, I think the trade would be okay overall.
C10 next? Looks like the perfect move for white if black omits it.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:44 am
by jts
p2501 wrote:
C10 next? Looks like the perfect move for white if black omits it.
If Araban really wants to prevent W from stabilizing in the corner (the stated goal of ), he needs to add another move locally... otherwise MW can play B18 with quite large follow-ups, no?
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:02 am
by hyperpape
I think B C10, W B18 B B16 is favorable for Black--it's an efficient extension and playing in the corner is a little small for White plus it helps patch the weaknesses introduced by not playing B16 in the first place.
I'd be more worried that White would find a way to exploit the thinness of extending to C10.
For that reason, I'd probably play at B16 B15 (coordinates suck!) to begin with. But maybe that's too conservative.
Edit: got the coordinate wrong.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:15 am
by ez4u
My basic instinct would be B15. However, there is something to be said for the C10 idea as well. Why? When Black exchanged B17 for D17, White's upper left stones became safe. Black's shape in the upper side does not allow Black to slide underneath and attack White's eyeshape. So then what is the point of protecting B17? Black can secure his base in the upper left corner (giving three Black corners to one for White), but that is about it. White takes the initiative next. Would it be better to extend down the side and, if White plays in the upper left, just keep on going? Black has to be careful in deciding how far to go however. White ends up with invasion points if Black extends too far.
. Actually right now I'm just sulking over my poor exam performance after I took the exam a few hours ago at the time of this writing. I'm going to go to the teacher and see if I can make a compromise of sorts.
), he needs to add another move locally... otherwise MW can play B18 with quite large follow-ups, no?