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he can connect here or make ko most likely he will connect and make life like so
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i like this for both sides, well im refreshed again its tsumego time! see ya!
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I really want to come out of this with sente ...
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its a little to early for the hane because
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the cut creates complications, and he still can live in the corner and my stones under the cut don't have enough liberties to fight, so i might as well keep it simple and keep my stones strong
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Now, how will he defend?
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Eh? Marcus probably remembered this sequence when black has the one-space jump instead of the large knight. This looks risky for white.

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Also, I feel like white cashed out the corner too soon here - even if black just seal white inside now there is not a lot of complications on the bottom (because black becomes quite solid and the two stones on the lower left have a lot of aji left).

Edit:

I didn't read this correctly: If as below, black cuts at a, white extends, and then b and c are miai, and I can't find a move for black that allows both to be taken.

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So, instead, black can play as below. White cannot answer at a because then black plays b, so white has to play b.

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Edit 2: This thing called reading would be really helpful XD

As below seems to work for black.

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$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 6 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
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it took some time to come up with this move, my instinct wants to directly respond to the sholder hit, like so

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . O . . X . . . . . 6 . |
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but i like this better

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$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 7 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i like this because it sets up a thick wall to push his floating group towards and by attacking from my weak group on the left i can make a profitable global postion overall :study:
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$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is simple enough. I'll take it. There were much more complicated variations he could have chosen, where my reading might not have been complete. I'm pretty sure I had an answer for all the possibilities, but you never know ...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


im going to take sente now, according to go dojo im suppose to play elsewhere (don't contact super stabel groups)

besides my last variation gives him sente to weaken the wall i was planning on creating

so now
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . a . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this move takes some territory on the side, upsets his top left group and give my (a) group something to run to (3 purpose move :D )

good thing i didn't continue with my variation because it would have been his sente instead of mine! Thank you go dojo!

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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's make this new group a little uncomfortable ...
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


his last move just pushed me deeper into white sector lines
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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . ? ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . ? ? . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . ? O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


according to the fundamentals, its 3 things u can do in this situation, run, live or die!

so i choose to live, death is not a option and running would take forever since i would be running from behind,

and i know there is a proverb like dont push from behind, but runing from behind doesn't make since either because white will stay ahead and use that sente to help his running stones

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[go]$$Bcm48 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . a , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i like this variation because it gives me a chance to conter attack his weak (a) string

contact is for defense not offense, so im contacting his strong stones,

because who cares if you strenthen already strong stones and im threating to cut which he will defend because the corner is to valuable to loose,
build eye space and counter his two weak stones

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[go]$$Bcm40 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Blocking directly gives my opponent more forcing moves ... Let's make him squirm a bit more. He also seems to be leaning on the corner group in preparation to attack my two stones on the J vertical. I'll have to get those stones moving soon.
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he didn't defend the way i predicted but its ok

now i must play 50 to defend my eye space

this is my thought process

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . 4 . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this is ok for me but i liked my prev post variation better he obviously found a better move i must stay focused before i loose control of the game, so far i think black is ok and i have been doing good in this game im proud of myself regardless what happens

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . 2 . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not much to say at the moment ... the fight continues.
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X . . . 3 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i dont even have to think about this move :lol:

i hope everybody knows this is the vital point of this shape

but for the rookies i will explain
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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . 8 2 5 O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X a . . 3 4 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . 2 4 O 7 9 X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X a . . 3 5 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


see what i mean

either way he blocks i have a push & cut follow up, and thats good for me

the only thing i have to worry about is the life of my (a) group :D

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There are numerous variations here, but white should be fine if black tries to push through because of:

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . 8 2 5 O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X a . . 3 4 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 0 X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or:
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . 2 4 O 7 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . X a . . 3 5 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 8 X . O . . X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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Of course, black has other moves than 1986's variations, but the fact that black is short of libs after trying to push through should allow white to get a good result.
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