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Re: KGS escaper policy - explicit enough?
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:32 am
by Kirby
Suji wrote:Kirby wrote:Escapers are not a huge issue for me.
Could I inquire why? I'm curious.
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Because it doesn't happen to me very much. If it happened more, it'd be more of an issue for me.
The reason I have "philosophically" argued for a different policy is because I think that giving losses to escapers will make them even more rare.
But if that doesn't happen, I don't run into escapers that much anyway, so it doesn't affect me much.
Re: KGS escaper policy - explicit enough?
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:56 pm
by Toge
Li Kao wrote:Escapers on kgs are a problem if you let it bother you.
- This "you" might just be an aspiring Go player whose first impression of the community is an escaper and people to defend him. Where's family friendliness in that?
Re: KGS escaper policy - explicit enough?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:48 pm
by blue
Toge wrote:Li Kao wrote:Escapers on kgs are a problem if you let it bother you.
- This "you" might just be an aspiring Go player whose first impression of the community is an escaper and people to
"attack" him. Where's family friendliness in that?
and i didn't really hear 20-25kyu guys complaining about escapers yet...
Re: KGS escaper policy - explicit enough?
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:02 pm
by Toge
blue wrote:and i didn't really hear 20-25kyu guys complaining about escapers yet...
- I don't understand what you're getting at:
1. Does a 20-25k guy need to complain? What does this accomplish?
2. Does a 20-25k guy stay 20k-25k for long to qualify?
3. Problems don't always get voiced. What is wrong about this kind of behaviour?
4. Complaining is ineffective and people know it.
Perhaps you don't realize it, but every single game you've played in your life and quitted, you've dropped because of its flaws. Because this process is largely instinctive, it's hard to detect. First impression is everything.
This thread has already served its purpose. Wms knows that escaping is a problem. He's the only person who can improve the system. Constant iterations have improved the
presented model for escaper handling, but we are unable to make changes. This is the difference between open and closed code.
Re: KGS escaper policy - explicit enough?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:06 am
by quantumf
blue wrote:Toge wrote:Li Kao wrote:Escapers on kgs are a problem if you let it bother you.
- This "you" might just be an aspiring Go player whose first impression of the community is an escaper and people to
"attack" him. Where's family friendliness in that?
and i didn't really hear 20-25kyu guys complaining about escapers yet...
Well, actually, this is the biggest problem, in my opinion. Anecdotally, I have evidence of newcomers being put of both KGS and go because of (1) the difficulty of getting a game with a [?] and (2) the very high frequency of escapers at that level (ddk)